Vaccine Hesitancy
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@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
Understand vaccine hesitancy now?
Think for your fucking self and don't let life spoonfeed you.
My parents are absolutely convinced that white supremacists are mobilizing to take over the country. I'm not being hyperbolic, they believe this so strongly they feel sorry for anyone who doesn't see it. These are Democrats who supported H.W. They weren't always crazy.
But it's because (1) they watch CNN constantly and (2) they think they're still watching vintage Wolf Blitzer.
Anyone can tell you anything now. CNN also competes with your survivalist nutter cousin on your Facebook feed. Nothing's vetted. You now have a personal responsibility to interpret what you see.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
Understand vaccine hesitancy now?
Think for your fucking self and don't let life spoonfeed you.
My parents are absolutely convinced that white supremacists are mobilizing to take over the country. I'm not being hyperbolic, they believe this so strongly they feel sorry for anyone who doesn't see it. These are Democrats who supported H.W. They weren't always crazy.
But it's because (1) they watch CNN constantly and (2) they think they're still watching vintage Wolf Blitzer.
Anyone can tell you anything now. CNN also competes with your survivalist nutter cousin on your Facebook feed. Nothing's vetted. You now have a personal responsibility to interpret what you see.
@aqua-letifer said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
Understand vaccine hesitancy now?
Think for your fucking self and don't let life spoonfeed you.
My parents are absolutely convinced that white supremacists are mobilizing to take over the country. I'm not being hyperbolic, they believe this so strongly they feel sorry for anyone who doesn't see it. These are Democrats who supported H.W. They weren't always crazy.
But it's because (1) they watch CNN constantly and (2) they think they're still watching vintage Wolf Blitzer.
Anyone can tell you anything now. CNN also competes with your survivalist nutter cousin on your Facebook feed. Nothing's vetted. You now have a personal responsibility to interpret what you see.
But who's going to take the time?
And most older people don't have the technological skills.
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@mik said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
And they have a multi decade history of trusting the media.
I know but what's the alternative? "Let people die stupidly" kinda sucks as an option.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer in all fairness, you have a background in the sciences and biological sciences that most people don't and can read into these studies more than most people can. Even so, unless you actually invented your own vaccine and tested it yourself, you are still having to trust what other people are telling you. What they tell you makes sense to you in your knowledge of these things, but so would the science behind the failed vaccines that have disappeared. Would you admit that?
So for all of us, it comes down to trust. Even if you understand the science at very advanced levels, you have to trust the numbers being provided by others. You have to trust their tests, and you have to trust their judgement. This has been a very difficult time to trust.
The Brad
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That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
In the past week we have been told that a major test conducted in Europe with 30% efficacy in preventing severe COVID is inconclusive and probably coincidental. We have also been told that a large test in Bangladesh showing 30% efficacy for something else is “Definitive proof and settled science”.
The Brad
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That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
It's snowing in Oklahoma on Sept 3.
Who knew?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
In the past week we have been told that a major test conducted in Europe with 30% efficacy in preventing severe COVID is inconclusive and probably coincidental. We have also been told that a large test in Bangladesh showing 30% efficacy for something else is “Definitive proof and settled science”.
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
In the past week we have been told that a major test conducted in Europe with 30% efficacy in preventing severe COVID is inconclusive and probably coincidental. We have also been told that a large test in Bangladesh showing 30% efficacy for something else is “Definitive proof and settled science”.
Be quiet and follow the science...
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@mik said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
And they have a multi decade history of trusting the media.
I know but what's the alternative? "Let people die stupidly" kinda sucks as an option.
@aqua-letifer said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@mik said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
And they have a multi decade history of trusting the media.
I know but what's the alternative? "Let people die stupidly" kinda sucks as an option.
That's why they took away the sugary drinks.
Millions of lives have been saved by eliminating super-sized soda.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
It's snowing in Oklahoma on Sept 3.
Who knew?
@george-k said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
It's snowing in Oklahoma on Sept 3.
Who knew?
Wait, did anybody actually read that article? At the very beginning they have this update:
“UPDATE: Northeastern Hospital System Sequoyah issued a statement: Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room. With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months. NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care. We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.”
In other words, the entire gist of the article was a lie but yet they keep it up there….
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@george-k said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@jolly said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
That's the major thrust of the opening link. When people lie to you right and left, how can you trust them?
It's snowing in Oklahoma on Sept 3.
Who knew?
Wait, did anybody actually read that article? At the very beginning they have this update:
“UPDATE: Northeastern Hospital System Sequoyah issued a statement: Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room. With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months. NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care. We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.”
In other words, the entire gist of the article was a lie but yet they keep it up there….
@lufins-dad yeah, how about that.
I saw that "update" when I posted the tweet. Don't you find it interesting that the article and picture are still there, as is the tweet?
Because no one reads the article, only the tweet, and they run with it.
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NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
SEP 02, 2021“Since the beginning of May, we’ve received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin,” said Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information. “Most developed relatively minor symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and dizziness, though there’s the potential for more serious effects including low blood pressure and seizures with an overdose, as well as interactions with medications such as blood thinners.”
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And the doc that Rolling Stone cites?
From ZeroHedge (Yeah, I know)
"McElyea is also listed as working at Integris Grove Hospital in Grove, OK as a general family practitioner - not in the ER. A phone call to them provided no insight as to any ivermectin overdoses, however the gentleman who answered the phone sounded quite amused. What's more, Grove, OK - with a population of 7,129, had just 14 aggravated assaults in all of 2019 according to the FBI's latest data. We somehow doubt that 'gunshot victims were lining up outside the ER,' while just 11 ivermectin related hospital cases have been reported in the entire state since the beginning of May."
Meanwhile, lemming-like other places pick up the Rolling Stone story and run with it, apparently failing to do any independent verification:
The Independent: https://archive.is/DhqhZ
The Guardian: https://archive.is/iIYB7
And US News about the doc: https://archive.is/EOw2E
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Did they learn their lesson on that rape story a few years ago?
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@Aqua-Letifer in all fairness, you have a background in the sciences and biological sciences that most people don't and can read into these studies more than most people can. Even so, unless you actually invented your own vaccine and tested it yourself, you are still having to trust what other people are telling you. What they tell you makes sense to you in your knowledge of these things, but so would the science behind the failed vaccines that have disappeared. Would you admit that?
So for all of us, it comes down to trust. Even if you understand the science at very advanced levels, you have to trust the numbers being provided by others. You have to trust their tests, and you have to trust their judgement. This has been a very difficult time to trust.
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@Aqua-Letifer in all fairness, you have a background in the sciences and biological sciences that most people don't and can read into these studies more than most people can. Even so, unless you actually invented your own vaccine and tested it yourself, you are still having to trust what other people are telling you. What they tell you makes sense to you in your knowledge of these things, but so would the science behind the failed vaccines that have disappeared. Would you admit that?
So for all of us, it comes down to trust. Even if you understand the science at very advanced levels, you have to trust the numbers being provided by others. You have to trust their tests, and you have to trust their judgement. This has been a very difficult time to trust.
I appreciate that, but it's not a limited background in science that's causing the problem. And yes, the current raft of misinformation isn't making it easier. But that's not the problem, either. There are many people in rural communities getting vaccinated in secret so that their neighbors don't find out. Misinformation doesn't explain that. Lack of critical thinking does.
Dave thinks like I do. He distrusts vaccines. Nobody like Dave or anyone else I identify with likes Fauci, they think he's a charlatan and a liar. Fauci likes vaccines. Therefore, I distrust vaccines. That's really the problem—people have lost the ability to detach their identity from the data they interact with. That's how you get where we're at now. We've tribalized everything.
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This Twatter thread aggregates some of the parroting of the patently false story from Rolling Stone:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1434591443855753220.html
Many of these are rando twitteridiots. Many are not:
- Rachel Maddow
- Lauren Peikoff (executive producer MSNBC)
- The Daily Mail
- Newsweek
- New York Daily News
- The Hill
In the bottom of the link, he makes some good points:
It should go without saying, but inventing a narrative out of thin air simply because it confirms your priors is not going to help rebuild trust in the media.
It would’ve taken a single phone call to shoot this story down.
Why didn’t that happen?
And the same people who purport to be concerned about misinformation and how it spreads on platforms like Twitter will surely be silent on this.Where’s the nashing of teeth from the “disinformation” reporters? Where are the Twitter content warnings? Where’s the outrage?
You won’t hear any. Because this is the acceptable type of political lie.And none of these people or outlets will learn anything. They’ll keep doing this.
Because they care more about scoring cheap dunks on their opponents than getting the truth.
For new folks/those asking, I don’t have anything to sell or subscribe to.Did Twitter suspend any of these accounts because of "False or misleading information?"
