The Babbitt Standard
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Is it true that the police officer was in the same room as Congress people and Babbitt was coming through the window representing an onslaught of people with crude weapons?
If so it feels like proximate cause and imminent risk to life of Congress folks means he was protecting life in that split second?
Do I have it wrong? Where the Congress folk not in the room? Was the risk of calamity exaggerated? What would you have done in that moment?
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Nah, Jon's been beating the Capitol Insurrection drum since this incident, so I don't consider him an unbiased commentator. Of course, neither am I.
The officer that shot Babbitt was a BLM supporter and had previously walked off and left his loaded weapon on the lavatory in the men's restroom at the Capitol. He also discharged his weapon in close proximity to other officers who were standing next to Babbitt, risking a pass-through and a distinct possibility of injuring or killing a fellow officer. And note, his were the only shots fired January 6.
I therefore question his judgement.
Would I have shot her? Maybe. But not where she was at. Lethal force should probably not been used until she was on the other side of the window and not in immediate proximity of other officers.
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Ashli probably didn’t know Congressmen were in the room. That was her tragic mistake.
If Congress people weren’t scurried away probably would have been many more deaths.
Never seen a mob restrain itself in history. It just only got so close to the red meat.
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@loki said in The Babbitt Standard:
If Congress people weren’t scurried away probably would have been many more deaths.
How so? Could you elaborate on this scenario?
@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
@loki said in The Babbitt Standard:
If Congress people weren’t scurried away probably would have been many more deaths.
How so? Could you elaborate on this scenario?
Cops shooting protesters if Congresspeople were trapped.
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It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
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It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
Your premise of emotion colors so much of your thinking.
Did the mob know where the Congress people were? If they suddenly converged of a dozen what do you imagine would have happened? All I am saying is with a mob you can’t know and the likelihood of a spark is based on mob mentality not a person’s emotional imagination.
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@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
Your premise of emotion colors so much of your thinking.
Did the mob know where the Congress people were? If they suddenly converged of a dozen what do you imagine would have happened? All I am saying is with a mob you can’t know and the likelihood of a spark is based on mob mentality not a person’s emotional imagination.
@loki said in The Babbitt Standard:
@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
Your premise of emotion colors so much of your thinking.
Did the mob know where the Congress people were? If they suddenly converged of a dozen what do you imagine would have happened?
I don't imagine that mob cornering a congressperson and beating them to death.
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@loki said in The Babbitt Standard:
@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
Your premise of emotion colors so much of your thinking.
Did the mob know where the Congress people were? If they suddenly converged of a dozen what do you imagine would have happened?
I don't imagine that mob cornering a congressperson and beating them to death.
@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
@loki said in The Babbitt Standard:
@horace said in The Babbitt Standard:
It is difficult for me to imagine that mob putting itself into a situation to be mowed down by armed law enforcement en masse. But it seems common to imagine that scenario, for those with a higher than normal emotional reaction to the invasion as it was. I suppose that is normal.
Your premise of emotion colors so much of your thinking.
Did the mob know where the Congress people were? If they suddenly converged of a dozen what do you imagine would have happened?
I don't imagine that mob cornering a congressperson and beating them to death.
That’s a really low bar but I might agree.
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If it was right for the officer to kill that woman, then it was right to kill them all.
There was nothing special about her. He couldn't even see her hands and had no idea if she was armed.
He says his did his duty.
Then he should have continued to do his duty and kill all of them.
