Left Behind
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I’m not sure I get those pictures. Are they abandoned at the airports in their crates?
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Excerpted from USA Today, Dateline Today @ 2:30PM:
WASHINGTON – The Pentagon is disputing claims that it did not evacuate all dogs that worked with the United States during operations in Afghanistan after viral images and reports to the contrary.
"To correct erroneous reports, the US military did not leave any dogs in cages at Hamid Karzai International Airport, to include the reported 'military working dogs,'" said Eric Pahon, a spokesman for the Defense Department.
On Aug. 27, Kabul Small Animal Rescue, an animal welfare group that has tended to animals injured or displaced during the war in Afghanistan,posted on Twitter that it was trying to evacuate animals in the cargo hold of planes leaving Kabul's airport.
The animals were being flown out as part of the group's "Operation Hercules," a crowdfunded effort in the country. That work had been going on days before the viral images began circulating.
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"We cannot verify what day this photo was taken"
No exif?
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
"We cannot verify what day this photo was taken"
Because there are SO many OTHER photos of dogs in carriers in front of a helicopter with shot-out windows.
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Something fishy here.
Item: At the website of the Humane Society of the United States, there is no mention of dogs being left in Afghanistan.
Item: In answer to the Google question, "Is American Humane the same as the Humane Society?" is this: American Humane, America's first national humane organization, is celebrating 139 years of service with a rebranding effort which begins with changing the organization's name from American Humane Association to American Humane. ... “American Humane has been and will always be animals' first responder,” said Robin Ganzert. (President of American Humane.)
In other words, she doesn't answer the question.
Item: In that answer, Ganzert says 'American Humane Association'. What is the American Humane Association?
Item: Don't know about you, but I never heard of any organization named 'American Humane'.
Item: If American Humane is not the same as Humane Society, then no way is it 'America's first national humane organization'. Elsewhere it says AH is the oldest -- which would make it the first to be established, but it's not first as in pre-eminent.
Item: A search of 'Robin Ganzert' yielded 52,500 results, with no mention on the 1st and 2nd pages of dogs left in Afghanistan.
Item: In the statement by Ganzert is this: "I am devastated by reports that the American government is pulling out of Kabul and leaving behind brave U.S. military contract working dogs to be tortured and killed at the hand of our enemies."
Really? Tortured? Who tortures dogs???
The Pentagon denial of the story now appears in several different places. They deny leaving their dogs in cages at the airport. One place clarifies that the dogs left in cages at the airport were from the Kabul Small Animal Rescue, and not the American military.
So what's going on?
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Left Behind:
Item: Don't know about you, but I never heard of any organization named 'American Humane'.
One Google search that would've taken four seconds would've gotten you to American Humane (AH) is an organization founded in 1877, committed to ensuring the safety, welfare and well-being of animals.
They're the ones responsible for the "no animals were harmed" messages in movie credits.
Looking things up is helpful.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
Looking things up is helpful.
I figured it would be obvious that I meant I'd never heard of it before this story broke. But apparently not.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Left Behind:
@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
Looking things up is helpful.
I figured it would be obvious that I meant I'd never heard of it before this story broke. But apparently not.
Also, as to "who tortures dogs": feel free to conduct another Google search. Better yet, visit your local shelter and ask the volunteers why the animals are there and count the abuse cases. People do these things and no it's not weird to suggest such.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
Also, as to "who tortures dogs": feel free to conduct another Google search.
Yes. However, the incidence of various rando weirdos doing dog torture is probably a lot less than the incidence of dogs being killed because of some people's interpretation that Islam declares that dogs are unclean.
https://www.learnreligions.com/dogs-in-islam-2004392
Most Muslim scholars agree that in Islam the saliva of a dog is ritually impure and that objects (or perhaps persons) that come into contact with a dog's saliva require them to be washed seven times. This ruling comes from the hadith:
When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.
It is to be noted, however, that one of the major Islamic schools of thought (Maliki) indicates that this is not a matter of ritual cleanliness, but simply a common-sense method way to prevent the spread of disease.There are several other hadith, however, that warns of consequences for dog-owners:
"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: 'Whoever keeps a dog, his good deeds will decrease every day by one qeeraat [a unit of measurement], unless it is a dog for farming or herding.' In another report, it is said: ' …unless it is a dog for herding sheep, farming or hunting.'"—Bukhari Sharif
"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: 'Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture.'"—Bukhari Sharif
Many Muslims base the prohibition against keeping a dog in one's home, except for the case of working or service dogs, on these traditions."Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Okay, point taken. I should have clarified that I couldn't see the point of Taliban going out of their way to torture dogs, in a war situation.
Now that you've gotten your shots off, I'll point out that neither of them addressed the main point. Which is: Somebody is either mistaken or lying. Either the AH prez or the Pentagon. She describes the dogs left behind as -- I forget the wording -- military contract working dogs, which if you believe the Pentagon they weren't, or the Pentagon is lying about having left the dogs. There's a discrepancy.
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
Most Muslim scholars agree that in Islam the saliva of a dog is ritually impure and that objects (or perhaps persons) that come into contact with a dog's saliva require them to be washed seven times. This ruling comes from the hadith:
How many Muslim events have you been to?
I've been to none. But I have been to quite a few Christian church services, so I know the following is not a modern Christian practice, nor is it condoned at face value by anyone sane:
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken ... He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries.
I'm not willing to judge at face value these kinds of "Muslim teachings" without knowing more about the religion in practice, because I give Christianity the same latitude.
Please love yourself.
