Admit Your Failure
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@aqua-letifer said in Admit Your Failure:
@horace said in Admit Your Failure:
Renauda will lose respect for you if you don't vote, Cats. Also jon will make fun of you. The assault you'll be under here if you don't vote, is withering. That's why I recommend pretending to vote.
If you tallied up all the time you spend talking about politics per four years and compare it to the total time it takes to vote, if the former is longer, I too will judge the shit out of you. Just pick somebody you think would do a good or the least damaging job, it's not hard.
People make stupid judgments all the time for reasons they're not fully aware of, that is not new. For instance, jon, Renauda, and I suppose you, probably legitimately think they're taking a principled stand against expressing opinions while not voting. But over here in reality, we're aware that that principled stand is only deployed against opinions from the other side.
@horace said in Admit Your Failure:
People make stupid judgments all the time for reasons they're not fully aware of, that is not new. For instance, jon, Renauda, and I suppose you, probably legitimately think they're taking a principled stand against expressing opinions while not voting. But over here in reality, we're aware that that principled stand is only deployed against opinions from the other side.
No, I don't feel good about myself regarding this issue. I don't get a moral high from voting, I don't care. I think what I think because the action changes what you're communicating. Bitching while voting means at the very least you're trying to do something constructive. The one thing you have total control over. Bitching while not voting means at the end of the day, you can't be counted on to try to fix the situation. So the bitching doesn't come from a place of hoping for something better and hey at least I'll give it a go, it comes from "bitching and navel-gazing deflects from the fact that I won't help in this situation."
It seems this line of thinking doesn't seem to get me into trouble with the rest of society, either—in fact most people seem to agree more than not—I'm not likely to change my opinion.
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Yes social coercion to vote is widely agreed upon. But, while we can all happily clap one another on the back for agreeing to that, it remains completely debatable whether convincing people to vote if they have some reason not to want to, or no reason at all, actually is for the greater good. The only thing you can say for sure about that is that it reduces information per vote. My own reason is purely pragmatic. I’m lazy and I know the results in my particular state are a done deal. I understand some will misinterpret that as a stain on my soul, but again, people make stupid judgments all the time and I can’t worry too much about it.
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Yes social coercion to vote is widely agreed upon. But, while we can all happily clap one another on the back for agreeing to that, it remains completely debatable whether convincing people to vote if they have some reason not to want to, or no reason at all, actually is for the greater good. The only thing you can say for sure about that is that it reduces information per vote. My own reason is purely pragmatic. I’m lazy and I know the results in my particular state are a done deal. I understand some will misinterpret that as a stain on my soul, but again, people make stupid judgments all the time and I can’t worry too much about it.
@horace said in Admit Your Failure:
My own reason is purely pragmatic. I’m lazy and I know the results in my particular state are a done deal.
Well, I think the reason you provided isn't good enough to take seriously. But I'm also not going to take to the twitters that I know a guy who doesn't vote so I can feel good about myself, that's ridiculous.
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No, I've redd (ain't that a helluva personal perversion of a word for silliness ' sake) your stuff. I take it to heart, when you admit a myriad of times to being caught like a deer in the headlights about some current event that all of us have at least a glimmer of knowledge about.
Currently, you're sitting in your dung heap, wearing the tattered robes of the sanctified, throwing woeful ashes of regret in the air, bemoaning the whole electoral process and vowing to never vote again.
Well, get over it, toots.
What we have is an imperfect process, populated by elected people you wouldn't want to marry into your family and actually run by a Swamp of nameless, faceless, souless, bureaucratic minions. But it beats the Hell out of most anything else, so instead of Phibing (see, I can make up words, too) about the situation, embrace the suck and make the system work as best it can.
@jolly said in Admit Your Failure:
But it beats the Hell out of most anything else, so instead of Phibing (see, I can make up words, too) about the situation, embrace the suck and make the system work as best it can.
Hey - don't blame me for this bollocks! My role is similar to that of the USA at the beginning of WW2. I provide funding, and I wring my hands a lot, I just don't get directly involved
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Funny you should say that...I'm off to start a thread...
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@jolly said in Admit Your Failure:
Funny you should say that...I'm off to start a thread...
I hope you're not going to claim that America won The Battle of Britain
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Nope, but that's the first and last the UK won without U.S. production...
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@jolly said in Admit Your Failure:
the UK won
Strictly speaking, it was the Commonwealth rather than the UK, as I'm sure Canadians and others would point out. Plus, Poles of course.
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Different wording, same result.
The U.S. built four Merlins for every one the Commonwealth produced.
Outside of the Island, production left a lot to be desired. As an example, I give you this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Semple_tank
