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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    But ain't irony ironic.

    The thing most CRT believers would find anathema - Nazism - is what they are engaged in.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      But ain't irony ironic.

      The thing most CRT believers would find anathema - Nazism - is what they are engaged in.

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      Horace
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      @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

      But ain't irony ironic.

      The thing most CRT believers would find anathema - Nazism - is what they are engaged in.

      Sure. They're also engaged in psychological abuse of dark skinned children, by indoctrinating them into conspiracy theories about how everybody hates them for their skin color.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

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          Jolly
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          @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

          I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

          Read the essay?

          Agree or disagree?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

            I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

            Read the essay?

            Agree or disagree?

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            Doctor Phibes
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            @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

            @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

            I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

            Read the essay?

            Agree or disagree?

            I think they probably came to the conclusion before they wrote the essay.

            It's even easier to link things to the Nazis than to Kevin Bacon.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

              @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

              I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

              Read the essay?

              Agree or disagree?

              I think they probably came to the conclusion before they wrote the essay.

              It's even easier to link things to the Nazis than to Kevin Bacon.

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

              @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

              @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

              I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

              Read the essay?

              Agree or disagree?

              I think they probably came to the conclusion before they wrote the essay.

              It's even easier to link things to the Nazis than to Kevin Bacon.

              For somebody that abhors politicians, you give a good non-answer.😆 😆

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

                Read the essay?

                Agree or disagree?

                I think they probably came to the conclusion before they wrote the essay.

                It's even easier to link things to the Nazis than to Kevin Bacon.

                For somebody that abhors politicians, you give a good non-answer.😆 😆

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                Doctor PhibesD Online
                Doctor Phibes
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                #9

                @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

                Read the essay?

                Agree or disagree?

                I think they probably came to the conclusion before they wrote the essay.

                It's even easier to link things to the Nazis than to Kevin Bacon.

                For somebody that abhors politicians, you give a good non-answer.😆 😆

                OK, I think the article's a bit silly. It reads like an undergraduate was given a task to write an essay showing that Critical Race Theory had its roots in National Socialism.

                And, I've said before, I'm still a little unclear on what exactly CRT is.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                  @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                  @jolly said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                  @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                  I don't know about 'surprising'. As soon as I read the Thinker's title, my immediate reaction was 'I bet they're going to say it was the Nazis'.

                  Read the essay?

                  Agree or disagree?

                  I think they probably came to the conclusion before they wrote the essay.

                  It's even easier to link things to the Nazis than to Kevin Bacon.

                  For somebody that abhors politicians, you give a good non-answer.😆 😆

                  OK, I think the article's a bit silly. It reads like an undergraduate was given a task to write an essay showing that Critical Race Theory had its roots in National Socialism.

                  And, I've said before, I'm still a little unclear on what exactly CRT is.

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                  Horace
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                  @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                  And, I've said before, I'm still a little unclear on what exactly CRT is.

                  That's a feature of CRT, not a bug.

                  The less CRT is understood as specific ideas, the more slam dunking can occur on people who attempt to question its inclusion in curriculums or its foothold in pop culture.

                  If you have to synthesize all of CRT into a single idea, it's that white people need to shut up with their thoughts about anything to do with race, which, by the way, is everything. Ultimately it's not about giving power to black people and taking it from white people, but rather giving power to the Democrat party and taking it from the Republican party. That would sniff too strongly of petty politics though, so the righteous angle of slavery and all historical and contemporary racism is the purported point.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                    And, I've said before, I'm still a little unclear on what exactly CRT is.

                    That's a feature of CRT, not a bug.

                    The less CRT is understood as specific ideas, the more slam dunking can occur on people who attempt to question its inclusion in curriculums or its foothold in pop culture.

                    If you have to synthesize all of CRT into a single idea, it's that white people need to shut up with their thoughts about anything to do with race, which, by the way, is everything. Ultimately it's not about giving power to black people and taking it from white people, but rather giving power to the Democrat party and taking it from the Republican party. That would sniff too strongly of petty politics though, so the righteous angle of slavery and all historical and contemporary racism is the purported point.

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    @horace said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                    @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                    And, I've said before, I'm still a little unclear on what exactly CRT is.

                    That's a feature of CRT, not a bug.

                    The less CRT is understood as specific ideas, the more slam dunking can occur on people who attempt to question its inclusion in curriculums or its foothold in pop culture.

                    If you have to synthesize all of CRT into a single idea, it's that white people need to shut up with their thoughts about anything to do with race, which, by the way, is everything. Ultimately it's not about giving power to black people and taking it from white people, but rather giving power to the Democrat party and taking it from the Republican party. That would sniff too strongly of petty politics though, so the righteous angle of slavery and all historical and contemporary racism is the purported point.

                    Yeah, OK. It's not really the same thing as the Nazis, though, is it? Bit of a silly article.

                    It seems to me that CRT has its roots more in white liberal shame over what happened in the US prior to the civil rights movement than anywhere else.

                    I was only joking

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
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                      CRT is bad enough that it doesn't need to be tainted with the Nazi label to make it look worse. These kinds of arguments are counterproductive. It's too easy to dismiss the "CRT = Nazi" stuff, and then generalize to "all arguments against CRT are equally BS".

                      "X = Nazi" is a typical left-wing tactic to shut down reasonable discussion. There's no need to resort to the same tactic when arguing against CRT.

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        CRT is bad enough that it doesn't need to be tainted with the Nazi label to make it look worse. These kinds of arguments are counterproductive. It's too easy to dismiss the "CRT = Nazi" stuff, and then generalize to "all arguments against CRT are equally BS".

                        "X = Nazi" is a typical left-wing tactic to shut down reasonable discussion. There's no need to resort to the same tactic when arguing against CRT.

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                        George K
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                        @klaus said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                        "X = Nazi"

                        I'm going to reach out to Mike Godwin and see if he would like to join the (New) TNCR.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • KlausK Klaus

                          CRT is bad enough that it doesn't need to be tainted with the Nazi label to make it look worse. These kinds of arguments are counterproductive. It's too easy to dismiss the "CRT = Nazi" stuff, and then generalize to "all arguments against CRT are equally BS".

                          "X = Nazi" is a typical left-wing tactic to shut down reasonable discussion. There's no need to resort to the same tactic when arguing against CRT.

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                          Horace
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                          @klaus said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                          CRT is bad enough that it doesn't need to be tainted with the Nazi label to make it look worse.

                          But if you say out loud that CRT is bad, you should be prepared for the programmed leftist response - they will roll their eyes, and mockingly ask you to define it.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            The National Socialists, like the Marxian Frankfurt School leaders, dedicated themselves to fighting racial oppression imposed by other advantaged races. But in the case of the Nazis, they identified the “oppressed race” as the Aryan and German people and the “oppressor race” as the Jews. They believed that the Jews controlled the world as members of a wealthy and privileged race that supposedly mistreated the so-called Aryan races.
                            To demean the so-called “Jewish oppressors,” the National Socialists taught German children that the Jews, Jewish-run banks, and capitalists were persecuting the German nation and its people. This “oppressor versus oppressed” narrative is pure classical Marxism, which had devastating effects across the annals of modern history. Such racist nonsense divides society, creating hostile tribalism and unending ethnic violence.

                            Kinda sounds like CRT from the persecution standpoint...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              No surprise that I agree with Phibes and Klaus on this. The only point I would add is that emergence of CRT as I understand it, has more to do with the material and social elevation of the urban working class in part through trade unions and education, in western industrialized societies than Nazi ideology. A new underdog had to be identified and championed in the dialectical struggle, and that underdog happened to be racial minorities usually from former colonies of industrialized states or immigrants to western states from countries that used to be termed the Third World.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                @horace said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                                @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                                And, I've said before, I'm still a little unclear on what exactly CRT is.

                                That's a feature of CRT, not a bug.

                                The less CRT is understood as specific ideas, the more slam dunking can occur on people who attempt to question its inclusion in curriculums or its foothold in pop culture.

                                If you have to synthesize all of CRT into a single idea, it's that white people need to shut up with their thoughts about anything to do with race, which, by the way, is everything. Ultimately it's not about giving power to black people and taking it from white people, but rather giving power to the Democrat party and taking it from the Republican party. That would sniff too strongly of petty politics though, so the righteous angle of slavery and all historical and contemporary racism is the purported point.

                                Yeah, OK. It's not really the same thing as the Nazis, though, is it? Bit of a silly article.

                                It seems to me that CRT has its roots more in white liberal shame over what happened in the US prior to the civil rights movement than anywhere else.

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                                Horace
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                                @doctor-phibes said in American Thinker du jour - CRT Origins Edition:

                                It seems to me that CRT has its roots more in white liberal shame over what happened in the US prior to the civil rights movement than anywhere else.

                                That shame is a real thing, especially amongst elderly white progressive females and feminized men. But America's obsession with race isn't due to that shame. It's because that shame can be used to consolidate votes. The more focus on it, the better, from that perspective. Young minds indoctrinated into the belief that everybody hates them because of their skin color, is just collateral damage.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  And if you don't think the indoctrination is effective, watch the clip in this TNCR thread:

                                  https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/11138/quick-kirk

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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