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  • Catseye3C Offline
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    AP: A panel has voted to grant parole to Sirhan Sirhan, U.S. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy's assassin. The ruling faces a 90-day review, then will go to the California governor's office for consideration. Two of RFK's sons spoke in favor of parole.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      AP: A panel has voted to grant parole to Sirhan Sirhan, U.S. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy's assassin. The ruling faces a 90-day review, then will go to the California governor's office for consideration. Two of RFK's sons spoke in favor of parole.

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      @catseye3 said in Paroled:

      Two of RFK's sons spoke in favor of parole.

      I suppose forgiveness helps them move on.

      Education is extremely important.

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        If they would have done what was right and proper, wouldn't have been any parole hearing.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          If they would have done what was right and proper, wouldn't have been any parole hearing.

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          @jolly Jolly, Jolly, Jolly. Did you forget that he killed a Democrat?

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            I cannot imagine Newsom can let him out in his current situation.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              @jolly Jolly, Jolly, Jolly. Did you forget that he killed a Democrat?

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              @catseye3 said in Paroled:

              @jolly Jolly, Jolly, Jolly. Did you forget that he killed a Democrat?

              Heck, he killed a Kennedy. Still, short rope, long drop.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                AP: A panel has voted to grant parole to Sirhan Sirhan, U.S. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy's assassin. The ruling faces a 90-day review, then will go to the California governor's office for consideration. Two of RFK's sons spoke in favor of parole.

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                @catseye3 said in Paroled:

                Two of RFK's sons spoke in favor of parole.

                I assume they did this so they can turn the matter over to Hillary.

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                  I wasn't aware of this:

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/26/who-killed-bobby-kennedy-his-son-rfk-jr-doesnt-believe-it-was-sirhan-sirhan/

                  Though Sirhan admitted at his trial in 1969 that he shot Kennedy, he claimed from the start that he had no memory of doing so. And midway through Sirhan’s trial, prosecutors provided his lawyers with an autopsy report that launched five decades of controversy: Kennedy was shot at point-blank range from behind, including a fatal shot behind his ear. But Sirhan, a 24-year-old Palestinian immigrant, was standing in front of him.

                  Was there a second gunman? The debate rages to this day.

                  But the legal system has not entertained doubts. A jury convicted Sirhan of first-degree murder and sentenced him to death in 1969, which was commuted to a life term in 1972. Sirhan’s appeals have been rejected at every level, as recently as 2016, even with the courts considering new evidence that has emerged over the years that as many as 13 shots were fired — Sirhan’s gun held only eight bullets — and that Sirhan may have been subjected to coercive hypnosis, in a real-life version of “The Manchurian Candidate.”

                  In the final court rejection of Sirhan’s appeals, U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew J. Wistrich ruled, “Even if the second shooter’s bullet was the one that killed Senator Kennedy, [Sirhan] would be liable [for murder] as an aider and abettor.” And if Sirhan was unaware of the second shooter, Wistrich wrote that the scenario of a second gunman who shot Kennedy “at close range with the same type of gun and ammunition as [Sirhan] was using, but managed to escape the crowded room without notice of almost any of the roomful of witnesses, lacks any evidentiary support.”

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    I wasn't aware of this:

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/26/who-killed-bobby-kennedy-his-son-rfk-jr-doesnt-believe-it-was-sirhan-sirhan/

                    Though Sirhan admitted at his trial in 1969 that he shot Kennedy, he claimed from the start that he had no memory of doing so. And midway through Sirhan’s trial, prosecutors provided his lawyers with an autopsy report that launched five decades of controversy: Kennedy was shot at point-blank range from behind, including a fatal shot behind his ear. But Sirhan, a 24-year-old Palestinian immigrant, was standing in front of him.

                    Was there a second gunman? The debate rages to this day.

                    But the legal system has not entertained doubts. A jury convicted Sirhan of first-degree murder and sentenced him to death in 1969, which was commuted to a life term in 1972. Sirhan’s appeals have been rejected at every level, as recently as 2016, even with the courts considering new evidence that has emerged over the years that as many as 13 shots were fired — Sirhan’s gun held only eight bullets — and that Sirhan may have been subjected to coercive hypnosis, in a real-life version of “The Manchurian Candidate.”

                    In the final court rejection of Sirhan’s appeals, U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew J. Wistrich ruled, “Even if the second shooter’s bullet was the one that killed Senator Kennedy, [Sirhan] would be liable [for murder] as an aider and abettor.” And if Sirhan was unaware of the second shooter, Wistrich wrote that the scenario of a second gunman who shot Kennedy “at close range with the same type of gun and ammunition as [Sirhan] was using, but managed to escape the crowded room without notice of almost any of the roomful of witnesses, lacks any evidentiary support.”

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                    @george-k said in Paroled:

                    Kennedy was shot at point-blank range from behind, including a fatal shot behind his ear.

                    Wow. I don't think I ever knew this, either.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      @george-k said in Paroled:

                      Kennedy was shot at point-blank range from behind, including a fatal shot behind his ear.

                      Wow. I don't think I ever knew this, either.

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                      @catseye3 I'm tempted to dismiss a lot of it because, well, RFK Jr.

                      But if there were 13 shots fired....

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        It would seem an easy enough thing to test Sirhan's gun against the bullets recovered.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          It would seem an easy enough thing to test Sirhan's gun against the bullets recovered.

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                          @mik This is me wearing my conspiracist hat: It could be that there was a general agreement to make Sirhan the fall guy so as to avoid the risk of massive public uprising, given the protests already in train at the time. 13 bullets might have acted as a tinderbox. So Sirhan's gun had to kind of get lost, or something.

                          A wild guess.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            There is some doubt about the shot count

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy

                            In 2007, it was revealed that forensic expert Philip Van Praag had analyzed an audiotape of the shooting known as the Pruszynski recording in which Van Praag had discovered acoustic evidence that a second gun had been involved in the assassination. Van Praag found that 13 shots were fired even though Sirhan's gun held only eight rounds, its maximum bullet capacity, and Sirhan had no opportunity to reload it.[67][72] Van Praag states the recording also reveals at least two cases where the timing between shots was shorter than physically possible from Sirhan's gun alone. Forensic audio specialists Wes Dooley and Paul Pegas of Audio Engineering Associates in Pasadena examined Van Praag's findings and corroborated the presence of more than eight gunshots on the tape along with over-lapping shots, all of this indicating the presence of a second shooter.

                            Similar corroboration came from forensic audio and ballistics expert Eddy B. Brixen in Copenhagen[73][74] and audio specialist Phil Spencer Whitehead of the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta.[75]

                            Other acoustic experts, however, have claimed that they could find no more than eight shots recorded on the audiotape.[76]

                            The Pruszynski recording was uncovered[colloquialism] in 2004 by CNN's Brad Johnson; its existence had been unknown to the general public previously.[77]

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                              6 out of 9 Kennedys disapprove:

                              https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017b-8eb1-d290-a57b-8ef37f6a0000Screen Shot 2021-08-30 at 6.20.04 PM.png

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Personally, I think it was Elvis.

                                The Brad

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