Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.
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wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 22:44 last edited by
On another discussion board I frequent, I talked about how the North Texas Hospital Association was discussing the medical ethics of triaging vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated patients in light of a resource crisis. They had determined scant resources would be best allocated to vaccinated patients, as the odds of them recovering were better.
I followed that up with a sentiment I've heard a lot of docs and other medical personnel express recently - that they are becoming extremely frustrated with treating hordes of unvaccinated patients.
You'd have thought I farted in church and spit in the communion wine.
Have people gone nuts?
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On another discussion board I frequent, I talked about how the North Texas Hospital Association was discussing the medical ethics of triaging vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated patients in light of a resource crisis. They had determined scant resources would be best allocated to vaccinated patients, as the odds of them recovering were better.
I followed that up with a sentiment I've heard a lot of docs and other medical personnel express recently - that they are becoming extremely frustrated with treating hordes of unvaccinated patients.
You'd have thought I farted in church and spit in the communion wine.
Have people gone nuts?
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 22:53 last edited by@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
They had determined scant resources would be best allocated to vaccinated patients, as the odds of them recovering were better.
Triage....
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On another discussion board I frequent, I talked about how the North Texas Hospital Association was discussing the medical ethics of triaging vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated patients in light of a resource crisis. They had determined scant resources would be best allocated to vaccinated patients, as the odds of them recovering were better.
I followed that up with a sentiment I've heard a lot of docs and other medical personnel express recently - that they are becoming extremely frustrated with treating hordes of unvaccinated patients.
You'd have thought I farted in church and spit in the communion wine.
Have people gone nuts?
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:11 last edited by@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
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On another discussion board I frequent, I talked about how the North Texas Hospital Association was discussing the medical ethics of triaging vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated patients in light of a resource crisis. They had determined scant resources would be best allocated to vaccinated patients, as the odds of them recovering were better.
I followed that up with a sentiment I've heard a lot of docs and other medical personnel express recently - that they are becoming extremely frustrated with treating hordes of unvaccinated patients.
You'd have thought I farted in church and spit in the communion wine.
Have people gone nuts?
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:20 last edited by@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
scant resources would be best allocated to vaccinated patients
There is nothing wrong with that.
But, only after considering skin color and financial status.
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@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:20 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
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@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:36 last edited by@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
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wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:37 last edited by
Someone has to make a decision when push comes to shove. I see no reason likelihood of good outcome should not be a factor.
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@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:39 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
Depends on the individual. Maybe the emotional value of giving the middle finger to the authorities telling them what to do outweighs the emotional value of being healthier. Maybe the emotional value of a piece of cake outweighs the value of being healthier.
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@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
Depends on the individual. Maybe the emotional value of giving the middle finger to the authorities telling them what to do outweighs the emotional value of being healthier. Maybe the emotional value of a piece of cake outweighs the value of being healthier.
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:47 last edited by@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
Depends on the individual. Maybe the emotional value of giving the middle finger to the authorities telling them what to do outweighs the emotional value of being healthier. Maybe the emotional value of a piece of cake outweighs the value of being healthier.
Like I said, there's no real logic to the argument, it's emotional thinking.
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wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:49 last edited by
I'm often amazed at how medically ignorant some people are...Hospitals never run out of beds, doctors can work 24 hours a day, any nurse can saunter into a COVID ICU and work until she drops. The Hippocratic Oath negates triage and medicine is only concerned with making money.
And we're lying about all those full beds...
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I'm often amazed at how medically ignorant some people are...Hospitals never run out of beds, doctors can work 24 hours a day, any nurse can saunter into a COVID ICU and work until she drops. The Hippocratic Oath negates triage and medicine is only concerned with making money.
And we're lying about all those full beds...
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:51 last edited by@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
I'm often amazed at how medically ignorant some people are...Hospitals never run out of beds, doctors can work 24 hours a day, any nurse can saunter into a COVID ICU and work until she drops. The Hippocratic Oath negates triage and medicine is only concerned with making money.
And we're lying about all those full beds...
I'm medically ignorant, and none of that makes any sense at all. This isn't ignorant, this is stoopid.
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@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
Depends on the individual. Maybe the emotional value of giving the middle finger to the authorities telling them what to do outweighs the emotional value of being healthier. Maybe the emotional value of a piece of cake outweighs the value of being healthier.
Like I said, there's no real logic to the argument, it's emotional thinking.
wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 23:56 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@horace said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@doctor-phibes said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
@jolly said in Lord, did I kick a hornet's nest.:
Have people gone nuts?
There's no real logic to the anti-vax argument. I'm not saying it should be forced on people, and I'm not saying it's a miracle cure, but currently it's the best we have. If somebody is arguing otherwise, they're not really arguing from a position that makes any sense, and it's going to ignite a lot of passion, because it's all based on emotion.
“I don’t want to get the vaccine and I understand my decision is not in the best interest of the collective” makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you internalize and fully accept that people make selfish decisions not in the interest of the collective every day and as a matter of course. If you can’t leverage selfishness in a society’s rules, then the rules are ignorant, magical thinking. That is the beauty of capitalism. At least it’s not ignorant, magical thinking.
How is not getting the vaccination in the best interest of the individual?
Depends on the individual. Maybe the emotional value of giving the middle finger to the authorities telling them what to do outweighs the emotional value of being healthier. Maybe the emotional value of a piece of cake outweighs the value of being healthier.
Like I said, there's no real logic to the argument, it's emotional thinking.
They’re being selfish. For most of us, the selfish choice is to get vaccinated. They have a different value system, in which ignorance probably, but not necessarily, plays a role.
