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Remember that choir practice super spreading event?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    From a CDC summary:

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    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • MikM Offline
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      I have tried to tell peope bravado won't protect you from a virus. The answer I got back was 'Glad the men in WWII didn't feel that way'. This is from a nurse I've known all my life. You can't fix stupid.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        #3

        Best to hope that masks work as well as other measures such as distancing at work and play and contact tracing. Otherwise it’s herd immunity, antivirals or vaccines. This virus is highly communicable and sitting it out doesnt seem to be a viable option as printing money has its limits.

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          Don’t get me wrong. I’m for opening up as much as we responsibly and safely can. But that requires responsibilities on everyone’s part.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            Don’t get me wrong. I’m for opening up as much as we responsibly and safely can. But that requires responsibilities on everyone’s part.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            #5

            Why did the men in WW2 think bravado would protect them from a virus?

            I'm guessing it was because they were idiots. Or possibly it was the Germans who felt that way?

            The Nazis weren't big on choirs, that I do know. Maybe in their incredibly evil way, they'd stumbled upon a great truth. God hates fucking choirboys. [Insert priest joke here]

            I was only joking

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              https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/white-house-and-cdc-remove-coronavirus-warnings-about-choirs-in-faith-guidance/2020/05/28/5d9c526e-a117-11ea-9590-1858a893bd59_story.html

              White House and CDC remove coronavirus warnings about choirs in faith guidance

              The Trump administration with no advance notice removed warnings contained in guidance for the reopening of houses of worship that singing in choirs can spread the coronavirus.

              Last Friday, the administration released pandemic guidance for faith communities after weeks of debate flared between the White House and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Those guidelines posted on the CDC website included recommendations that religious communities “consider suspending or at least decreasing use of choir/musical ensembles and congregant singing, chanting, or reciting during services or other programming, if appropriate within the faith tradition.”

              It added: “The act of singing may contribute to transmission of Covid-19, possibly through emission of aerosols.”

              By Saturday, that version was replaced by updated guidance that no longer includes any reference to choirs or congregant singing and the risk for spreading virus. The altered guidance also deleted a reference to “shared cups” among items, including hymnals and worship rugs, that should not be shared. The updated guidelines also added language that said the guidance “is not intended to infringe on rights protected by the First Amendment.”
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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Works for me. Give people the information and let them decide. Some will have choirs, some won't.

                Some people will be comfortable with mitigation efforts for their worship service, some won't. The individual churches will have different responses and the people attending them can decide whether to go or stay home.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  What's the age distribution of church attendees in the US?

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Works for me. Give people the information and let them decide. Some will have choirs, some won't.

                    Some people will be comfortable with mitigation efforts for their worship service, some won't. The individual churches will have different responses and the people attending them can decide whether to go or stay home.

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                    @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                    Works for me. Give people the information and let them decide. Some will have choirs, some won't.

                    You have the right to make your own decisions. You do not have the right to put me at risk.

                    That's the problem with "opening back up." I work in an open office floorplan. No walls, and everyone's very much closer than 6 feet. Oh and I work with a lot of boomers who think this virus thing is a big hoax because they don't know anyone who has it. We've already been told that management is chomping at the bit to get everyone back in the office, and there's not going to be an option to work remotely.

                    What kind of contribution to the economy can someone make in the ICU?

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                      Works for me. Give people the information and let them decide. Some will have choirs, some won't.

                      You have the right to make your own decisions. You do not have the right to put me at risk.

                      That's the problem with "opening back up." I work in an open office floorplan. No walls, and everyone's very much closer than 6 feet. Oh and I work with a lot of boomers who think this virus thing is a big hoax because they don't know anyone who has it. We've already been told that management is chomping at the bit to get everyone back in the office, and there's not going to be an option to work remotely.

                      What kind of contribution to the economy can someone make in the ICU?

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                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                      You have the right to make your own decisions. You do not have the right to put me at risk.

                      I agree with this from Aqua.

                      I understand that for some people, the church is a tremendous part of their life, and that is okay. But you cannot have blind faith. Sometimes the needs of society outweigh the wants of an individual person.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        What's the age distribution of church attendees in the US?

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                        @jon-nyc said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                        What's the age distribution of church attendees in the US?

                        I'm not sure. Walk in one and see for yourself. God is good and you probably won't need a hardhat.😄

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          What's the age distribution of church attendees in the US?

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                          @jon-nyc said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                          What's the age distribution of church attendees in the US?

                          It's hard to say. Even the ones who look young sound like my grandmother.

                          I was only joking

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Works for me. Give people the information and let them decide. Some will have choirs, some won't.

                            Some people will be comfortable with mitigation efforts for their worship service, some won't. The individual churches will have different responses and the people attending them can decide whether to go or stay home.

                            AxtremusA Away
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                            Axtremus
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                            @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                            Give people the information and let them decide.

                            In this case, the White House and the CDC is deliberately not publishing the information concerning religious choir.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                              Give people the information and let them decide.

                              In this case, the White House and the CDC is deliberately not publishing the information concerning religious choir.

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                              @Axtremus said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                              @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                              Give people the information and let them decide.

                              In this case, the White House and the CDC is deliberately not publishing the information concerning religious choir.

                              The information is out there and is pretty well known.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nyc
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                                And the WH still put the kibosh on it.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                  Give people the information and let them decide.

                                  In this case, the White House and the CDC is deliberately not publishing the information concerning religious choir.

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                                  Loki
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                                  @Axtremus said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                  @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                  Give people the information and let them decide.

                                  In this case, the White House and the CDC is deliberately not publishing the information concerning religious choir.

                                  What is that should be published? Is it just this or is it for every public spread. I think I’m missing the point somewhere.

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                                    The point is that some believe the interests of the state override the practice of religion.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      The point is that some believe the interests of the state override the practice of religion.

                                      AxtremusA Away
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                                      Axtremus
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                                      @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                      The point is that some believe the interests of the state override the practice of religion.

                                      The point is religious pandering and the irresponsible practice of religion by the few are endangering the health of the general population.

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                        The point is that some believe the interests of the state override the practice of religion.

                                        The point is religious pandering and the irresponsible practice of religion by the few are endangering the health of the general population.

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                                        Copper
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                                        @Axtremus said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                        endangering the health of the general population.

                                        How much are they endangering the health of the general population?

                                        Exactly how much?

                                        Give us some science.

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                          The point is that some believe the interests of the state override the practice of religion.

                                          The point is religious pandering and the irresponsible practice of religion by the few are endangering the health of the general population.

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                                          Loki
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                                          @Axtremus said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                          @Jolly said in Remember that choir practice super spreading event?:

                                          The point is that some believe the interests of the state override the practice of religion.

                                          The point is religious pandering and the irresponsible practice of religion by the few are endangering the health of the general population.

                                          Let’s see you post this about the protests.

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