"Unlawful Parading"

[Loki]

@lufins-dad said in "Unlawful Parading":

@loki said in "Unlawful Parading":

I’ve seen a number of BLM videos here but nearly no Jan 6. Why is that?

Because we're obviously a bunch of racist old white guys full of our privilege.

I said it was a travesty that BLM got away with rioting a million times here, I also said that Jan 6 should be a new beginning to lock up all anarchists. The best reasonable conclusion you could draw is that I equate BLM protestors to Jan 6 insurrectionists.

[Horace]

@loki said in "Unlawful Parading":

@lufins-dad said in "Unlawful Parading":

@loki said in "Unlawful Parading":

I’ve seen a number of BLM videos here but nearly no Jan 6. Why is that?

Because we're obviously a bunch of racist old white guys full of our privilege.

I said it was a travesty that BLM got away with rioting a million times here, I also said that Jan 6 should be a new beginning to lock up all anarchists. The best reasonable conclusion you could draw is that I equate BLM protestors to Jan 6 insurrectionists.

Sure they’re the same if you abstract it enough. But the acceptance within the culture is nowhere near the same. Some of us might find it more compelling to speak out against the antisocial behavior that is more widely accepted and even encouraged.

[Jolly]

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly Why the yellow Star of David?

That's a patch from the Holocaust Museum. It was worn by a Jew in Nazi Germany (or one of the conquered countries). It helped the Germans to quickly identify the Untermensch (under men). The Untermensch were not as good as other men. They were inferior.

Many people such as Jon refer to the people who wore the MAGA hats or supported Trump, as magats (a play on the word "maggot"). The magats are Untermensch. They are stupid, lowly creatures, not as smart as other people. They are inferior.

Because magats are inferior, they do not have the same rights under the Constitution as other citizens. In fact, when compared to how illegals are detained on the Southern border, I would firmly state they may not have the same rights as some illegal aliens. Untermensch are not worthy of rights.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly Why the yellow Star of David?

That's a patch from the Holocaust Museum. It was worn by a Jew in Nazi Germany (or one of the conquered countries). It helped the Germans to quickly identify the Untermensch (under men). The Untermensch were not as good as other men. They were inferior.

Many people such as Jon refer to the people who wore the MAGA hats or supported Trump, as magats (a play on the word "maggot"). The magats are Untermensch. They are stupid, lowly creatures, not as smart as other people. They are inferior.

Because magats are inferior, they do not have the same rights under the Constitution as other citizens. In fact, when compared to how illegals are detained on the Southern border, I would firmly state they may not gave the same rights as some illegal aliens. Untermensch are not worthy of rights.

So, just to clarify here, the Capitol invaders are Jews, and jon—the guy who posts here, the guy from New York—is a Nazi. That's what you're saying?

[Catseye3]

@jolly Thank you for answering my question.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly Why the yellow Star of David?

That's a patch from the Holocaust Museum. It was worn by a Jew in Nazi Germany (or one of the conquered countries). It helped the Germans to quickly identify the Untermensch (under men). The Untermensch were not as good as other men. They were inferior.

Many people such as Jon refer to the people who wore the MAGA hats or supported Trump, as magats (a play on the word "maggot"). The magats are Untermensch. They are stupid, lowly creatures, not as smart as other people. They are inferior.

Because magats are inferior, they do not have the same rights under the Constitution as other citizens. In fact, when compared to how illegals are detained on the Southern border, I would firmly state they may not gave the same rights as some illegal aliens. Untermensch are not worthy of rights.

So, just to clarify here, the Capitol invaders are Jews, and jon—the guy who posts here, the guy from New York—is a Nazi. That's what you're saying?

Don't be obtuse.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

@aqua-letifer said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly Why the yellow Star of David?

That's a patch from the Holocaust Museum. It was worn by a Jew in Nazi Germany (or one of the conquered countries). It helped the Germans to quickly identify the Untermensch (under men). The Untermensch were not as good as other men. They were inferior.

Many people such as Jon refer to the people who wore the MAGA hats or supported Trump, as magats (a play on the word "maggot"). The magats are Untermensch. They are stupid, lowly creatures, not as smart as other people. They are inferior.

Because magats are inferior, they do not have the same rights under the Constitution as other citizens. In fact, when compared to how illegals are detained on the Southern border, I would firmly state they may not gave the same rights as some illegal aliens. Untermensch are not worthy of rights.

So, just to clarify here, the Capitol invaders are Jews, and jon—the guy who posts here, the guy from New York—is a Nazi. That's what you're saying?

Don't be obtuse.

Yet again I'd give you your own advice.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

@aqua-letifer said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly Why the yellow Star of David?

That's a patch from the Holocaust Museum. It was worn by a Jew in Nazi Germany (or one of the conquered countries). It helped the Germans to quickly identify the Untermensch (under men). The Untermensch were not as good as other men. They were inferior.

Many people such as Jon refer to the people who wore the MAGA hats or supported Trump, as magats (a play on the word "maggot"). The magats are Untermensch. They are stupid, lowly creatures, not as smart as other people. They are inferior.

Because magats are inferior, they do not have the same rights under the Constitution as other citizens. In fact, when compared to how illegals are detained on the Southern border, I would firmly state they may not gave the same rights as some illegal aliens. Untermensch are not worthy of rights.

So, just to clarify here, the Capitol invaders are Jews, and jon—the guy who posts here, the guy from New York—is a Nazi. That's what you're saying?

Don't be obtuse.

Yet again I'd give you your own advice.

You're not an idiot, so I suppose you're playing silly booger on purpose. Well, then go back and read what I wrote again. It's very succinct and covers an obvious point...Even for people with a total hatred of some other people, namely the magats named therein.

[jon-nyc]

@jolly

I've been frustrated about the light handedness but then I heard Ken White (popehat) talk about the reasoning. The DOJ has many hundreds of these assclowns to deal with and simply can't take them all to trial. So each of them are getting much lower charges and sentence offers than they would if there were, say, 10 of them. That makes perfect sense, but it's frustrating as hell. I do worry about the lack of deterrent. For many of these guys their little misdemeanor and fine will be a badge of honor.

Regarding the heavy handedness of the pretrial bit, I'm not too worried about it because these guys aren't getting these light charges because that's what they deserve, they're getting them because there were so fucking many of them.

[Jolly]

That's the DOJ's problem. They're arresting people for walking through the building, when if they need to be charging for more serious crimes, they should be concentrating on those.

Do your job.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

There are people locked in solitary confinement in a jail cell in D.C. for over seven months, no bail, with their only charges being misdemeanors.

No justice, no peace!

There are people still locked in Guantanamo Bay for close to 20 years by now, no bail, with no charges whatsoever.

Both wrong and needs to be remedied. Charge them and try them promptly, or let them go free.

[Axtremus]

@lufins-dad said in "Unlawful Parading":

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@lufins-dad said in "Unlawful Parading":

Numerous public officials (including President Uncle Joe) and media outlets have referred to this as the single worst attack on our democracy in our history…

Oh, please. I give you Joe McCarthy.

I’m not saying I agree with them, just how it was reported before and after. We’re on what? Our 2nd Congressional Investigation? 3rd?

Still on the first.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

Is it pretty fucking low to upend a stolen election?

The 2020 general election was not stolen.

[LuFins Dad]

@axtremus said in "Unlawful Parading":

@lufins-dad said in "Unlawful Parading":

@catseye3 said in "Unlawful Parading":

@lufins-dad said in "Unlawful Parading":

Numerous public officials (including President Uncle Joe) and media outlets have referred to this as the single worst attack on our democracy in our history…

Oh, please. I give you Joe McCarthy.

I’m not saying I agree with them, just how it was reported before and after. We’re on what? Our 2nd Congressional Investigation? 3rd?

Still on the first.

I take it you weren’t paying attention during that whole impeachment thing?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in "Unlawful Parading":

@jolly said in "Unlawful Parading":

There are people locked in solitary confinement in a jail cell in D.C. for over seven months, no bail, with their only charges being misdemeanors.

No justice, no peace!

There are people still locked in Guantanamo Bay for close to 20 years by now, no bail, with no charges whatsoever.

Both wrong and needs to be remedied. Charge them and try them promptly, or let them go free.

War ain't over. We were using gunships in Afghanistan today. And Barksdale is loading out their B-52's.

They are enemy combatants (POWs)...So what should we do with them?

[George K]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/judge-howell-capitol-riot-case/2021/10/28/8f6da2c2-3809-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html

The chief judge presiding over the federal court in Washington on Thursday unleashed a blistering critique of the Justice Department’s prosecution of Capitol rioters, saying fiery rhetoric about the event’s horror did not match plea offers to minor charges.

“No wonder parts of the public in the U.S. are confused about whether what happened on January 6 at the Capitol was simply a petty offense of trespassing with some disorderliness, or shocking criminal conduct that represented a grave threat to our democratic norms,” Judge Beryl A. Howell said in court Thursday. “Let me make my view clear: The rioters were not mere protesters.”

While she and other judges have expressed similar concerns before, this was Howell’s first time sentencing a rioter and her first chance to fully air her views and demand answers from prosecutors. She took the opportunity, spending over an hour interrogating prosecutors on the decision to let Tennessee video game developer Jack Jesse Griffith plead guilty to the misdemeanor of parading inside the Capitol.

Why, she asked, when prosecutors called the riot an “attack on democracy . . . unparalleled in American history,” were Griffith and other participants facing the same charge as nonviolent protesters who routinely disrupt congressional hearings?

“It seems like a bit of a disconnect,” Howell said — “muddled”
and “almost schizophrenic.”

The parading charge carries a sentence of at most six months, with no supervised release.

“Is it the government’s view that the members of the mob that engaged in the Capitol attack on January 6 were simply trespassers?” Howell asked incredulously. “Is general deterrence going to be served by letting rioters who broke into the Capitol, overran the police . . . broke into the building through windows and doors . . . resolve their criminal liability through petty offense pleas?”
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After asking for probationary sentences in several cases, the government sought a three-month jail sentence for Griffith. Howell questioned what distinguished those cases from this one. Assistant U.S. Attorney Mitra Jafary-Hariri said prosecutors gave some defendants credit for early acceptance of responsibility. Griffith, she added, displayed a lack of remorse after the attack and continued to spread false election claims.

“Probation should not be the norm,” Howell said, but added that Griffith should not be punished more than others who engaged in similar conduct. Instead, she put him on probation for 36 months.

“My hands are tied,” Howell said in frustration. “In all my years on the bench, I’ve never been in this position before, and it’s all due to the government, despite calling this the crime of the century, resolving it with a . . . petty offense.”