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Pay me now or pay me later.

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  • markM Offline
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    mark
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    Take the $5k and invest it.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      I'd take it. My SS is cut by about 65% due to WEP. And the wife wouldn't get a dime of my SS due to GPO.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #11

        I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • markM Offline
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          mark
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          #12

          Work for cash for 3 months. lol

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #13

            Most people would think ‘I would have gone 65 years with no Social Security, what’s another 3 months?’

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #14

              @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

              I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

              Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                So this would go to people who were not yet eligible to collect, possibly for many years? I did not get that understanding.

                So it results in another government program we have to administer for decades. What could go wrong? Ever see a government program that didn't grow? I can see the whole country borrowing against future SS.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG George K

                  @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                  I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

                  Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  @George-K said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                  @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                  I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

                  Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

                  Social Security is adjusted for inflation.

                  Supposedly.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @George-K said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                    @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                    I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

                    Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

                    Social Security is adjusted for inflation.

                    Supposedly.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #17

                    @Jolly said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                    @George-K said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                    @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                    I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

                    Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

                    Social Security is adjusted for inflation.

                    Supposedly.

                    I realize that, of course. The point Jon was making, I believe, is that $5000 is much more valuable to a 35 year old today than the equivalent inflation-adjusted amount 30 years later.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • markM Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by mark
                      #18

                      I'm 58 (really? when the fuck...?) and it's worth more to me now, than at 65.

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        #19

                        3 months of my SS is a lot more than $5K, my wife too.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                          #20

                          Personally, I like the idea so long as it doesn’t open Pandora’s Box and become something that happens for every perceived emergency.

                          It’s better than the fed printing money and devaluing your retirement savings through inflation.

                          The Brad

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            @George-K said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

                            Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

                            Social Security is adjusted for inflation.

                            Supposedly.

                            I realize that, of course. The point Jon was making, I believe, is that $5000 is much more valuable to a 35 year old today than the equivalent inflation-adjusted amount 30 years later.

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                            @George-K said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            @Jolly said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            @George-K said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                            I think most people would take that. 3 months delay in your 60s sounds trivial to your average 20-50 year old.

                            Good point. A dollar now is probably worth a lot more than a dollar 30 years hence.

                            Social Security is adjusted for inflation.

                            Supposedly.

                            I realize that, of course. The point Jon was making, I believe, is that $5000 is much more valuable to a 35 year old today than the equivalent inflation-adjusted amount 30 years later.

                            Depends on the H&B (Hookers & Blow) Index.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              3 months of my SS is a lot more than $5K, my wife too.

                              markM Offline
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                              @Copper said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                              3 months of my SS is a lot more than $5K, my wife too.

                              It's a not a guaranteed full 3 months that is the max it would take to repay. If you make more than that, it will get paid back faster than 3 months.

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                              • MikM Away
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                                Mik
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                                #23

                                If one already makes more than that why take the loan?

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #24

                                  If you have high time preference or a low life expectancy it makes sense.

                                  Or if you think it’ll be worth more invested in something

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    If you have high time preference or a low life expectancy it makes sense.

                                    Or if you think it’ll be worth more invested in something

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #25

                                    @jon-nyc said in Pay me now or pay me later.:

                                    If you have high time preference or a low life expectancy it makes sense.

                                    Or if you think it’ll be worth more invested in something

                                    Free money to take a flyer on high risk stuff?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Improviso
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                                      #26

                                      Well... considering we've only got 12 years left before the world ends, take the money and run. 😬

                                      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                                        Similar proposal reviewed but rejected by the White House:
                                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/10/top-white-house-advisers-unlike-their-boss-increasingly-worry-stimulus-spending-is-costing-too-much/

                                        "...
                                        Senior administration officials have discussed the “Eagle Plan,” a 29-page memo that called for an overhaul of federal retirement programs in exchange for upfront payments to some workers, but the White House has already rejected it, according to three administration officials. ...

                                        The proposal calls for giving Americans $10,000 upfront in exchange for curbing their federal retirement benefits, such as Social Security, the report says. ...

                                        The plan’s first page says it was written by Paul Touw, chief strategy officer to U.S. State Department undersecretary Keith Krach, whose responsibilities do not include creating domestic policy. ..."

                                        Why the State Department proposed a plan that deals with Social Security?
                                        That is a mystery. :man-shrugging:

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                                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          5K vs 10K and the verbiage "curbing Social Security"? Yeah, that's a non-starter.

                                          The Brad

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