What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?
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Listening to Short Creek
It is about an offshoot sect of the Mormon Church - The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS). Very interesting for me. Kind of a cult in my opinion. 10 part series, each part about 45-50 minutes.. Focuses on the history of FLDS coming up to the present. Well worth a listen.
"Short Creek is a community on the Utah/Arizona border divided by much more than a state line. On one side are fundamentalist, polygamous Mormons who believe the town should be run by God—and his prophet. On the other are ex-believers who want democracy—and the right to believe (or not believe) as they want. When the prophet, Warren Jeffs, goes to prison for sex crimes, the community has to face its painful past...and struggle to define its future."
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Lemme resurrect this thread. I’ve been away from podcasts for a while, but this title drew me. “The optimistic leftist”, a recent episode of The Vox podcast called “The Weeds”. It’s hosted by Matt Yglesias, a guy who was seen as a dependable leftist for a while, but more recently has forged a more centrist identity. (Which is to say he has the balls to reject some of the more nuts messaging of his political side.)
He interviewed a guy named Ruy Teixeira, the eponymous optimistic leftist. Never heard of him? Yeah, me neither. But he’s written books. Lots of them. Lots of academic credibility and the whole nine yards.
The first thing they noted was that the 2020 victory wasn’t what it could have been. Way closer than it needed to be. They lost Latino share to Trump, and to a lesser extent, they lost black share.
The conversation could not be had between two white males, but they are both nominally minorities, so they can think critically out loud. God bless them both. I attempted a couple years ago to present the idea on WTF that Trump is winning the minority vote. I was excoriated by the Steve Millers and the Piques and the Ninas of the world. What I underestimated was just how fringe the perspectives of such people are. Such privileged white people have so little in common with those they seek to protect.
Pardon my continuing resentment of those people, but there was a time I thought maybe they should be taken seriously. Now I understand better how fringe they are.
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If u want an enjoyable 35 minutes or so, listen to episode 7 of cautionary tales. Number fever.
Basically how some companies, (in this episode, Pepsi and Hoover for example) got themselves into terribly deep doodoo by using marketing schemes which went, well, way south.
Just a public service announcement.
https://podcasts.apple.com/il/podcast/cautionary-tales-with-tim-harford/id1484511465?i=1000516376033
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Finally got back to listening to Sam Harris. He's charging 15 bucks a month to subscribe to his podcast! Lucky I am an old supporter and have apparently been grandfathered in, without any obligation to pay anything. 15 bucks a month for a once-a-week podcast is a little excessive.
Today he talked to a tech guy who was recently fired from Apple for a single sentence in a memoir he wrote 5 years ago. Something about how most women in the bay area were vapid posers, in a passage where he was extolling the virtues of his current girlfriend. A comparison was brought up to Dr Dre, current Apple employee, and the stuff he's written in his rap lyrics, about women. Lol.
This is a good conversation to listen to, for those so surrounded by progressive pop culture that they don't realize how crazy fringe the ideological mob has become, as it becomes drunker and drunker with its cancelation power.
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@horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
Finally got back to listening to Sam Harris. He's charging 15 bucks a month to subscribe to his podcast! Lucky I am an old supporter and have apparently been grandfathered in, without any obligation to pay anything. 15 bucks a month for a once-a-week podcast is a little excessive.
Today he talked to a tech guy who was recently fired from Apple for a single sentence in a memoir he wrote 5 years ago. Something about how most women in the bay area were vapid posers, in a passage where he was extolling the virtues of his current girlfriend. A comparison was brought up to Dr Dre, current Apple employee, and the stuff he's written in his rap lyrics, about women. Lol.
This is a good conversation to listen to, for those so surrounded by progressive pop culture that they don't realize how crazy fringe the ideological mob has become, as it becomes drunker and drunker with its cancelation power.
You can get most of Sam for free via his podcast called “making sense”. He just clips the ends.
I listened to the Apple story. I think Sam is correct but I question why they hired him in the first place. He has established his capacity to write tell all books about hi-tech companies he has worked for and I would have vetoed him for that alone.
But they were aware of his book and hired him anyone and then 2000 Apple employees protest his alleged misogyny.
What is fvcking hilarious about that is that when the book first came out NPR named it book of the year!!
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@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
@horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
Finally got back to listening to Sam Harris. He's charging 15 bucks a month to subscribe to his podcast! Lucky I am an old supporter and have apparently been grandfathered in, without any obligation to pay anything. 15 bucks a month for a once-a-week podcast is a little excessive.
Today he talked to a tech guy who was recently fired from Apple for a single sentence in a memoir he wrote 5 years ago. Something about how most women in the bay area were vapid posers, in a passage where he was extolling the virtues of his current girlfriend. A comparison was brought up to Dr Dre, current Apple employee, and the stuff he's written in his rap lyrics, about women. Lol.
This is a good conversation to listen to, for those so surrounded by progressive pop culture that they don't realize how crazy fringe the ideological mob has become, as it becomes drunker and drunker with its cancelation power.
You can get most of Sam for free via his podcast called “making sense”. He just clips the ends.
I listened to the Apple story. I think Sam is correct but I question why they hired him in the first place. He has established his capacity to write tell all books about hi-tech companies he has worked for and I would have vetoed him for that alone.
But they were aware of his book and hired him anyone and then 2000 Apple employees protest his alleged misogyny.
What is fvcking hilarious about that is that when the book first came out NPR named it book of the year!!
I got the audible version of the book after listening to this podcast. Since the left leaning media adored it at the time, I suspect one can see in it some anti-capitalism and anti-big-tech themes.
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Sam Harris felt compelled to weigh in on the anti-vaxers with their mis- and dis-information. He felt compelled to do so, because he went to a restaurant and noticed some staff wearing masks, and some not. He asked his waiter, who said that the policy was that anybody vaccinated doesn't need to wear a mask. Sam concluded that all the mask wearing staff, and there were many, had not been vaccinated, likely due to all the misinformation. So, Sam to the rescue!
I don't think he actually asked any mask wearer whether they were vaccinated, and I think his assumption that they were not was, well, stupid. Most vaccinated people around here are still wearing masks, in places where the rule is that you no longer have to, if you're vaccinated.
Be that as it may, he and his guest took aim at Bret Weinstein and his conspiracy theories. Bret got wind of this and listened to the podcast, and was heartened to hear that Sam and his guest had proven incapable of accurately characterizing what Bret said. This reinforced Bret's contention that our cultural ideas around COVID are surrounded by nearly impenetrable walls of confusion and group-think, when even a guy like Sam Harris gets a deluded notion of the contentions of anybody who strays slightly off the path - even when a respected friend. Bret hopes he and Sam can sit down and discuss their views on COVID, Ivermectin, and vaccinations someday. I hope so too.
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In the Red Clay — eh, interesting enough. Good for long car rides.
Lost Hills — better-than-average True Crime. @Horace might be interested in knowing that the host seemed to side with the defendant at first, but didn't double down when more facts emerged. The real story, though, is about the deputies.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
In the Red Clay — eh, interesting enough. Good for long car rides.
Lost Hills — better-than-average True Crime. @Horace might be interested in knowing that the host seemed to side with the defendant at first, but didn't double down when more facts emerged. The real story, though, is about the deputies.
I will have a listen, thanks Aqua. Always on the lookout for something to listen to on my walks. Finishing up Chasing Ghilaine now.
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@horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
Sam Harris felt compelled to weigh in on the anti-vaxers with their mis- and dis-information. He felt compelled to do so, because he went to a restaurant and noticed some staff wearing masks, and some not. He asked his waiter, who said that the policy was that anybody vaccinated doesn't need to wear a mask. Sam concluded that all the mask wearing staff, and there were many, had not been vaccinated, likely due to all the misinformation. So, Sam to the rescue!
I don't think he actually asked any mask wearer whether they were vaccinated, and I think his assumption that they were not was, well, stupid. Most vaccinated people around here are still wearing masks, in places where the rule is that you no longer have to, if you're vaccinated.
Be that as it may, he and his guest took aim at Bret Weinstein and his conspiracy theories. Bret got wind of this and listened to the podcast, and was heartened to hear that Sam and his guest had proven incapable of accurately characterizing what Bret said. This reinforced Bret's contention that our cultural ideas around COVID are surrounded by nearly impenetrable walls of confusion and group-think, when even a guy like Sam Harris gets a deluded notion of the contentions of anybody who strays slightly off the path - even when a respected friend. Bret hopes he and Sam can sit down and discuss their views on COVID, Ivermectin, and vaccinations someday. I hope so too.
I listened to the Harris podcast. My take is let’s review everything he and Eric Topol said in about 6 months to judge their accuracy. Fair enough?
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@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
@horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
Sam Harris felt compelled to weigh in on the anti-vaxers with their mis- and dis-information. He felt compelled to do so, because he went to a restaurant and noticed some staff wearing masks, and some not. He asked his waiter, who said that the policy was that anybody vaccinated doesn't need to wear a mask. Sam concluded that all the mask wearing staff, and there were many, had not been vaccinated, likely due to all the misinformation. So, Sam to the rescue!
I don't think he actually asked any mask wearer whether they were vaccinated, and I think his assumption that they were not was, well, stupid. Most vaccinated people around here are still wearing masks, in places where the rule is that you no longer have to, if you're vaccinated.
Be that as it may, he and his guest took aim at Bret Weinstein and his conspiracy theories. Bret got wind of this and listened to the podcast, and was heartened to hear that Sam and his guest had proven incapable of accurately characterizing what Bret said. This reinforced Bret's contention that our cultural ideas around COVID are surrounded by nearly impenetrable walls of confusion and group-think, when even a guy like Sam Harris gets a deluded notion of the contentions of anybody who strays slightly off the path - even when a respected friend. Bret hopes he and Sam can sit down and discuss their views on COVID, Ivermectin, and vaccinations someday. I hope so too.
I listened to the Harris podcast. My take is let’s review everything he and Eric Topol said in about 6 months to judge their accuracy. Fair enough?
That’s not really a take, but I’m happy to compare predictions to reality. Which predictions are you referring to?
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@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
I listened to Bret’s podcast and looked through his Twitter feed. But I continue, are you a fan?
You know, I don’t ask my questions to you rhetorically. When I asked what predictions you wanted to test against reality, I really did want to know. You literally never answer questions in these discussions.
As for your question, I do like Bret Weinstein. Which is not to say I agree with everything he thinks. Again, If your like to mention something specific about what he has said, and why you believe it’s crazy, that would be great.
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@horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
I listened to Bret’s podcast and looked through his Twitter feed. But I continue, are you a fan?
You know, I don’t ask my questions to you rhetorically. When I asked what predictions you wanted to test against reality, I really did want to know. You literally never answer questions in these discussions.
As for your question, I do like Bret Weinstein. Which is not to say I agree with everything he thinks. Again, If your like to mention something specific about what he has said, and why you believe it’s crazy, that would be great.
Ivermectin effectiveness
The vaccine’s ability to break the blood brain barrier
Big Pharma profit conspiracy
Encouraging folks to find alternatives to the vaccine
The realization in 6 months just how much damage the Bret’s of the world have done .
His lack of empathy for over stressed healthcare workers, our ability to have no more lockdowns etc.Here is my prediction it’s Bret’s ideology that will cause boosters to be needed sooner rather than later, that more masks will be necessary because of the viral spread, that passports will become mandatory in most places, more deathbed confessions of wishing they took the vaccine and serious healthcare burnout.
I will say one thing, the skeptics are extending the pandemic. Nice!!
I’m not interested in the intellectual dark web of contrarian philosophers while lives and the economy are in the balance. Talk about freedom and liberty?!
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@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
@horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
I listened to Bret’s podcast and looked through his Twitter feed. But I continue, are you a fan?
You know, I don’t ask my questions to you rhetorically. When I asked what predictions you wanted to test against reality, I really did want to know. You literally never answer questions in these discussions.
As for your question, I do like Bret Weinstein. Which is not to say I agree with everything he thinks. Again, If your like to mention something specific about what he has said, and why you believe it’s crazy, that would be great.
thank you Loki. Again you didn't answer which predictions Harris made that you'd like to keep in mind in six months, but this list of Bret's alleged points is a step in the right direction.
I will say one thing, the skeptics are extending the pandemic. Nice!!
Bret wants people to get vaccinated, but would rather they be able to take Ivermectin. He also thinks vaccines are potentially risky and that that risk outweighs the benefits of the vaccine, for people with the natural resistance conferred by prior COVID infections. I can understand disagreement on those points, but I don't think he's coming from an evil or selfish or unempathetic place.
I’m not interested in the intellectual dark web of contrarian philosophers while lives and the economy are in the balance. Talk about freedom and liberty?!
Sure, I'll continue valuing freedom of speech. Someone has to. I don't think you will, if it's a contest against whatever you're feeling righteous about on any given day.
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Horace
What you and I personally think is irrelevant, what is relevant is the real outcome of our positions. There is no measure here of that so by your measure your words of emotion and self righteousness have great power. But I respectfully withdraw. The juice is not worth the squeeze.
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@loki said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:
Horace
What you and I personally think is irrelevant, what is relevant is the real outcome of our positions. There is no measure here of that so by your measure your words of emotion and self righteousness have great power. But I respectfully withdraw. The juice is not worth the squeeze.
You can certainly withdraw, but let's not pretend your attitude is a respectful one towards those who disagree with you. You haven't earned that.
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Sam Harris had another rebuttal to Bret on Sam's most recent podcast. Doesn't want to have Bret on, because he doesn't want to platform Bret's anti-vaccination messaging.
The issue Bret will have with that, as I predict it, is that Bret does not propagate anti-vaccination messaging, and does hope everybody gets vaccinated. Bret realizes Ivermectin is not widely available and is not a practical alternative currently.
Sam's point boiled down to the notion that Bret is failing in his moral duty to keep all discussions unambiguously pro-vaccination, full stop. No questions should be asked publicly. I get where he's coming from, but he did end up straw-manning Bret again.
Later in the podcast, which was an Ask me Anything, Sam addressed the CRT stuff. His 12 year old daughter was assigned to read a piece by Ibram X Kendi. In Sam's words, you can imagine his joy at his daughter's school attempting to indoctrinate her into that flavor of paranoid identitarianism. This goes to the discussion about whether CRT is being taught in schools - this is part of it, and it is insidious. Child abuse, really.
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I listened to Ezra Klein's podcast today, which is released under the banner of the New York Times. The episode was enticingly titled "How Identity Politics Took Over the Republican Party". It was an hour long discussion about how the Republican base is motivated almost entirely by racial animosity. How, as white Christian males, they are threatened by the notion of no longer being on top of the social hierarchy. None of this is debated or debatable, it's just the accepted and obvious premise from which the conversation begins.
