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This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.

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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on 10 May 2020, 00:54 last edited by
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    That's not even manipulation, that's just with lenses. Hell photo #2 would be even more stark if it was also shot with the same telephoto as #1, just at 90 degrees from the original POV.

    Please love yourself.

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    • A Aqua Letifer
      10 May 2020, 00:54

      That's not even manipulation, that's just with lenses. Hell photo #2 would be even more stark if it was also shot with the same telephoto as #1, just at 90 degrees from the original POV.

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      George K
      wrote on 10 May 2020, 00:56 last edited by George K 5 Oct 2020, 00:58
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      @Aqua-Letifer said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

      That's not even manipulation, that's just with lenses. Hell photo #2 would be even more stark if it was also shot with the same telephoto as #1, just at 90 degrees from the original POV.

      Of course.

      My point was that if you published picture #1 on your website, it would convey a very different message than had you published picture #2.

      And...using different lenses to show a picture is sure as hell "manipulation" if you're trying to tell a story.

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      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on 10 May 2020, 01:00 last edited by Aqua Letifer 5 Oct 2020, 01:01
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        Absolutely it would convey an entirely different message.

        But it is an it isn't "manipulation." Yes, you can use many tools to your advantage to tell whatever story you want, but you can't not do that.

        There is absolutely no way to depict a perfectly true representation of reality with a photograph. It's impossible. Photography is and has always been a creative representation of reality.

        Please love yourself.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 10 May 2020, 01:08 last edited by
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          George’s point is real. If the story is ‘people aren’t practicing social distancing’ and you do the telephoto version you’re manipulating it.

          (Like several beach photos appear to have done)

          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • A Aqua Letifer
            10 May 2020, 01:00

            Absolutely it would convey an entirely different message.

            But it is an it isn't "manipulation." Yes, you can use many tools to your advantage to tell whatever story you want, but you can't not do that.

            There is absolutely no way to depict a perfectly true representation of reality with a photograph. It's impossible. Photography is and has always been a creative representation of reality.

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            George K
            wrote on 10 May 2020, 01:08 last edited by
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            @Aqua-Letifer said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

            Absolutely it would convey an entirely different message.

            But it is an it isn't "manipulation." Yes, you can use many tools to your advantage to tell whatever story you want, but you can't not do that.

            I can't find it at the moment, but there are photos of beach openings that are exactly like that. The accompanying stories are all about how people are being irresponsible, showing photos similar to the first photo in each series.

            However, the truth shows something more similar to photo number two.

            If you call yourself a "news" organization, at least have the honesty to accurately depict the truth.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              10 May 2020, 01:08

              @Aqua-Letifer said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

              Absolutely it would convey an entirely different message.

              But it is an it isn't "manipulation." Yes, you can use many tools to your advantage to tell whatever story you want, but you can't not do that.

              I can't find it at the moment, but there are photos of beach openings that are exactly like that. The accompanying stories are all about how people are being irresponsible, showing photos similar to the first photo in each series.

              However, the truth shows something more similar to photo number two.

              If you call yourself a "news" organization, at least have the honesty to accurately depict the truth.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 10 May 2020, 01:11 last edited by
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              @George-K said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:
              If you call yourself a "news" organization, at least have the honesty to accurately depict the truth.

              Dude we're at least two decades beyond that now.

              Please love yourself.

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              • A Aqua Letifer
                10 May 2020, 01:11

                @George-K said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:
                If you call yourself a "news" organization, at least have the honesty to accurately depict the truth.

                Dude we're at least two decades beyond that now.

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                George K
                wrote on 10 May 2020, 01:18 last edited by
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                @Aqua-Letifer said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

                Dude we're at least two decades beyond that now.

                Yeah, at least two decades:

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on 10 May 2020, 01:20 last edited by
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                  Older.

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                  Please love yourself.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 12 May 2020, 00:59 last edited by
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                    Aqua, I am familiar with the Stalin picture, but what is the picture you post from?

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                      12 May 2020, 00:59

                      Aqua, I am familiar with the Stalin picture, but what is the picture you post from?

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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on 12 May 2020, 01:21 last edited by
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                      @taiwan_girl said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

                      Aqua, I am familiar with the Stalin picture, but what is the picture you post from?

                      The Civil War. Among other things, the rifle was moved by the photographer before he took that photo.

                      Please love yourself.

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 12 May 2020, 08:35 last edited by
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                        I think some new standards for press photography would be good.

                        They should use camera chips that digitally sign an image such that one can detect Photoshop and the like. These signatures should be verifiable for every viewer of an image.

                        There should be a database of public photographs that can be queried by location and time, such that one can view many different photos of the same event at the same time.

                        There'd still be many ways to manipulate images, but it would become a little harder.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 12 May 2020, 10:54 last edited by
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                          We need an official body to verify this sort of thing, since clearly the press can't be trusted. They could call it the Dept. of Truth.

                          I was only joking

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                            12 May 2020, 10:54

                            We need an official body to verify this sort of thing, since clearly the press can't be trusted. They could call it the Dept. of Truth.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 12 May 2020, 11:00 last edited by
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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in This is how easy it is to manipulate photos.:

                            We need an official body to verify this sort of thing, since clearly the press can't be trusted. They could call it the Dept. of Truth.

                            The other George would tell you it’s the Ministry of Truth.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 12 May 2020, 11:16 last edited by
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                              I don't think you'd want that. I know how you chaps like to think you've broken away from blighty.

                              I was only joking

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 12 May 2020, 15:09 last edited by Copper 5 Dec 2020, 15:09
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                                Sure, add the new image standards for truth to the current truth standards.

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