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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #110

    Bullshit. 500 graduate level.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • CopperC Copper

      @loki said in Spying?:

      All interesting convo but until Fox gets on board

      They gave him millions of dollars worth of air time to tell the story

      I believe that is a lot like being on board

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      Loki
      wrote on last edited by
      #111

      @copper said in Spying?:

      @loki said in Spying?:

      All interesting convo but until Fox gets on board

      They gave him millions of dollars worth of air time to tell the story

      I believe that is a lot like being on board

      So they are turning down a massive scoop for some other news source? So many leaps of faith one has to take to get there.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #112

        As George would say, it's all about the Benjamins.

        I was only joking

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #113

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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Loki
            wrote on last edited by
            #114

            Isn’t there a way to interview the whistleblower to see what actions should be taken next? I know Congress has a history of fishing expeditions and man did we witness that for the past four years especially but it doesn’t make fishing expeditions right. There should be a threshold and it seems to me the whistleblower holds all the relevant cards right now.

            Also a news organization who has actually seen Tucker’s emails would be helpful.

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            • CopperC Offline
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              Copper
              wrote on last edited by
              #115

              Nice demand

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              • L Offline
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                Loki
                wrote on last edited by
                #116

                So reporters are trying to validate Carlson’s claims and provide interesting new details that would be relevant.

                https://theweek.com/tucker-carlson/1002436/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-seems-scandalized-reporters-are-investigating

                Carlson is holding his cards close to what he is alleging. He’s got a humdinger of a case if he has the smoking gun. No one has seen it yet.

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                • CopperC Copper

                  Nice demand

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                  Loki
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #117

                  @copper said in Spying?:

                  Nice demand

                  So you advocate any journalist finding a congressman to start an investigation without a shred of evidence. Sounds very 1984.

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                  • CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #118

                    @loki said in Spying?:

                    a shred of evidence

                    He has a shred of evidence

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      @loki said in Spying?:

                      a shred of evidence

                      He has a shred of evidence

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                      Loki
                      wrote on last edited by Loki
                      #119

                      @copper said in Spying?:

                      @loki said in Spying?:

                      a shred of evidence

                      He has a shred of evidence

                      I maybe be missing his evidence. As far as I can tell he says a whistleblower told him but I haven’t seen any corroborating evidence. What am I missing? He didn’t share any emails, he didn’t have anyone else talk to the whistleblower, right?

                      Do you really just get to make an allegation? I’ve been fighting that with TDS for 5 years now.

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                      • L Loki

                        @copper said in Spying?:

                        @loki said in Spying?:

                        a shred of evidence

                        He has a shred of evidence

                        I maybe be missing his evidence. As far as I can tell he says a whistleblower told him but I haven’t seen any corroborating evidence. What am I missing? He didn’t share any emails, he didn’t have anyone else talk to the whistleblower, right?

                        Do you really just get to make an allegation? I’ve been fighting that with TDS for 5 years now.

                        HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #120

                        @loki said in Spying?:

                        @copper said in Spying?:

                        @loki said in Spying?:

                        a shred of evidence

                        He has a shred of evidence

                        I maybe be missing his evidence. As far as I can tell he says a whistleblower told him but I haven’t seen any corroborating evidence. What am I missing? He didn’t share any emails, he didn’t have anyone else talk to the whistleblower, right?

                        Do you really just get to make an allegation? I’ve been fighting that with TDS for 5 years now.

                        What is Mr Paul's motivation? Political tribalism?

                        When we saw the investigations into Cavanaugh, that was clearly tribalism. What about Mr Paul?

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #121

                          The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                          Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                          When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                            Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                            When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #122

                            @horace said in Spying?:

                            The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                            Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                            When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                            So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                            This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                            Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @loki said in Spying?:

                              @copper said in Spying?:

                              @loki said in Spying?:

                              a shred of evidence

                              He has a shred of evidence

                              I maybe be missing his evidence. As far as I can tell he says a whistleblower told him but I haven’t seen any corroborating evidence. What am I missing? He didn’t share any emails, he didn’t have anyone else talk to the whistleblower, right?

                              Do you really just get to make an allegation? I’ve been fighting that with TDS for 5 years now.

                              What is Mr Paul's motivation? Political tribalism?

                              When we saw the investigations into Cavanaugh, that was clearly tribalism. What about Mr Paul?

                              L Offline
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                              Loki
                              wrote on last edited by Loki
                              #123

                              @horace said in Spying?:

                              @loki said in Spying?:

                              @copper said in Spying?:

                              @loki said in Spying?:

                              a shred of evidence

                              He has a shred of evidence

                              I maybe be missing his evidence. As far as I can tell he says a whistleblower told him but I haven’t seen any corroborating evidence. What am I missing? He didn’t share any emails, he didn’t have anyone else talk to the whistleblower, right?

                              Do you really just get to make an allegation? I’ve been fighting that with TDS for 5 years now.

                              What is Mr Paul's motivation? Political tribalism?

                              When we saw the investigations into Cavanaugh, that was clearly tribalism. What about Mr Paul?

                              I think Mr. Paul is not unreasonable to ask, it’s better than the poo flung at Trump by the likes of Schiff, but still there should something other than Carlson’s word.

                              Carlson, where’s the beef???? Show us what you got.

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                              • L Loki

                                @horace said in Spying?:

                                The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                HoraceH Offline
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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #124

                                @loki said in Spying?:

                                @horace said in Spying?:

                                The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @loki said in Spying?:

                                  @horace said in Spying?:

                                  The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                  Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                  When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                  So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                  This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                  Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                  We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                  L Offline
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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #125

                                  @horace said in Spying?:

                                  @loki said in Spying?:

                                  @horace said in Spying?:

                                  The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                  Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                  When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                  So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                  This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                  Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                  We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                  It’s his word Horace. Have the whistleblower talk to someone and I am fine with a full investigation.

                                  Jesus, you really want an MSM journalist to pull this shit with ZERO evidence?

                                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • L Loki

                                    @horace said in Spying?:

                                    @loki said in Spying?:

                                    @horace said in Spying?:

                                    The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                    Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                    When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                    So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                    This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                    Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                    We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                    It’s his word Horace. Have the whistleblower talk to someone and I am fine with a full investigation.

                                    Jesus, you really want an MSM journalist to pull this shit with ZERO evidence?

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by Horace
                                    #126

                                    @loki said in Spying?:

                                    @horace said in Spying?:

                                    @loki said in Spying?:

                                    @horace said in Spying?:

                                    The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                    Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                    When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                    So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                    This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                    Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                    We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                    It’s his word Horace. Have the whistleblower talk to someone and I am fine with a full investigation.

                                    Jesus, you really want an MSM journalist to pull this shit with ZERO evidence?

                                    I don't think there's a reasonable chance he's just making it up. Stronger chance he's deluded or being intentionally misled, stronger chance still that there's something to the story. Something that falls short of him being an intelligence target per se, but which is still interesting. I'm glad Mr Paul wrote the letter, and I hope the NSA responds.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @loki said in Spying?:

                                      @horace said in Spying?:

                                      @loki said in Spying?:

                                      @horace said in Spying?:

                                      The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                      Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                      When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                      So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                      This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                      Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                      We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                      It’s his word Horace. Have the whistleblower talk to someone and I am fine with a full investigation.

                                      Jesus, you really want an MSM journalist to pull this shit with ZERO evidence?

                                      I don't think there's a reasonable chance he's just making it up. Stronger chance he's deluded or being intentionally misled, stronger chance still that there's something to the story. Something that falls short of him being an intelligence target per se, but which is still interesting. I'm glad Mr Paul wrote the letter, and I hope the NSA responds.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      @horace said in Spying?:

                                      I'm glad Mr Paul wrote the letter,

                                      I don't think I've seen a letter from a Senator saying "I am writing to demand..."

                                      Strong words.

                                      Paul must think there's some there there.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @loki said in Spying?:

                                        @horace said in Spying?:

                                        @loki said in Spying?:

                                        @horace said in Spying?:

                                        The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                        Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                        When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                        So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                        This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                        Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                        We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                        It’s his word Horace. Have the whistleblower talk to someone and I am fine with a full investigation.

                                        Jesus, you really want an MSM journalist to pull this shit with ZERO evidence?

                                        I don't think there's a reasonable chance he's just making it up. Stronger chance he's deluded or being intentionally misled, stronger chance still that there's something to the story. Something that falls short of him being an intelligence target per se, but which is still interesting. I'm glad Mr Paul wrote the letter, and I hope the NSA responds.

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                                        Loki
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                                        #128

                                        @horace said in Spying?:

                                        @loki said in Spying?:

                                        @horace said in Spying?:

                                        @loki said in Spying?:

                                        @horace said in Spying?:

                                        The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                        Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                        When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                        So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                        This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                        Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                        We're all treating this as something more than a random person making an accusation. Maybe we're all deluded, but our priors about Mr Carlson and what he has to lose if this is made up, are a form of evidence.

                                        It’s his word Horace. Have the whistleblower talk to someone and I am fine with a full investigation.

                                        Jesus, you really want an MSM journalist to pull this shit with ZERO evidence?

                                        I don't think there's a reasonable chance he's just making it up. Stronger chance he's deluded or being intentionally misled, stronger chance still that there's something to the story. Something that falls short of him being an intelligence target per se, but which is still interesting. I'm glad Mr Paul wrote the letter, and I hope the NSA responds.

                                        And if they don’t it’s a conspiracy. Woo hooo. The simplest way for this to come to a head would be for the whistleblower to talk to someone. But you know the rational and reasonable thing to do doesn’t matter anymore.

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                                        • L Loki

                                          @horace said in Spying?:

                                          The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                          Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                          When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                          So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                          This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                          Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                          CopperC Offline
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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #129

                                          @loki said in Spying?:

                                          @horace said in Spying?:

                                          The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.

                                          Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.

                                          When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.

                                          So every fishing expedition must be responded to?

                                          This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.

                                          Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.

                                          Mr. Carlson clearly has verbal and written evidence.

                                          Repeating over and over that he doesn’t won’t change that.

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