99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:09 last edited by Loki 7 Apr 2021, 22:09
God forbid the delta variant and whatever the next possible mutation might do. Worrying signs are abound.
Check out cases and deaths trends in South Africa, all Delta variant inspired. Israel now says Pfizer is merely 70% protective from Delta infection and even serious effects have increased.
Tons of hubris here, something we will have to reflect on in the future.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:14 last edited by Loki 7 Apr 2021, 22:14
Finally one very plausible scenario is a mutation raises cases and deaths such that we go back to some form of lockdown or restriction and remote learning stays in place.
FREEDOM!!!!
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:17 last edited by
Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Loki you are tilting away at people who only respect the choices of others, and who value the principle that they should be able to make their own choice.
I'm sure we all would prefer that more people get the vaccine.
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Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Loki you are tilting away at people who only respect the choices of others, and who value the principle that they should be able to make their own choice.
I'm sure we all would prefer that more people get the vaccine.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:22 last edited by@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Loki you are tilting away at people who only respect the choices of others, and who value the principle that they should be able to make their own choice.
I'm sure we all would prefer that more people get the vaccine.
I agree with your first sentence. I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests. I would like those who make the choice to not vaccinate to truly understand their impact on others. I am not trying to prevent suicide.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Loki you are tilting away at people who only respect the choices of others, and who value the principle that they should be able to make their own choice.
I'm sure we all would prefer that more people get the vaccine.
I agree with your first sentence. I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests. I would like those who make the choice to not vaccinate to truly understand their impact on others. I am not trying to prevent suicide.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:29 last edited by@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests.
Other than emoting one's disgust for those who don't get vaccinated, what form should this disrespect take, in your opinion?
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Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Loki you are tilting away at people who only respect the choices of others, and who value the principle that they should be able to make their own choice.
I'm sure we all would prefer that more people get the vaccine.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:34 last edited by@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Is that the requirement for posting now - somebody has to agree with somebody doing something stupid before we discuss it?
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Is that the requirement for posting now - somebody has to agree with somebody doing something stupid before we discuss it?
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:36 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Is anybody on this board opposed to getting vaccinations, or opposed to others getting vaccinations? I don't think so.
Is that the requirement for posting now - somebody has to agree with somebody doing something stupid before we discuss it?
Loki was talking like he was having difficulty relating with other posters in this thread, on this topic. And that he would come back to this thread for a victory dance, if there are lots of COVID deaths in a year.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:49 last edited by
Vaccines: everyone thinks differently and are free to conclude differently from you, or myself. They pose no threat to me, so live and let live.
Liberals: fucking libtard motherfuckers are a disease on modern society!
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests.
Other than emoting one's disgust for those who don't get vaccinated, what form should this disrespect take, in your opinion?
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:49 last edited by Loki 7 Apr 2021, 22:51@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests.
Other than emoting one's disgust for those who don't get vaccinated, what form should this disrespect take, in your opinion?
Combating the mistruths about the vaccines, educating people on the harm of a slow path to herd immunity, and pointing out when someone talks of a cardiac case or death of a vaccinated person that overwhelmingly more good than harm has come from the vaccine and the person making the point of the exceptional case may have an ulterior motive or talking out of lack of education.
Perhaps a discussion on freedom for the individual is wrapped in the common good.
We have now administered over 3 billion doses of vaccines around the world. This is not some study of 52 people that appears on social media every day about the wonders of….let’s say radishes.
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Vaccines: everyone thinks differently and are free to conclude differently from you, or myself. They pose no threat to me, so live and let live.
Liberals: fucking libtard motherfuckers are a disease on modern society!
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:57 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Vaccines: everyone thinks differently and are free to conclude differently from you, or myself. They pose no threat to me, so live and let live.
Liberals: fucking libtard motherfuckers are a disease on modern society!
Elections matter, unequivocally. I think we can all agree on that, both sides.
Some of us don't really believe that whether we get vaccinated matters to anybody else. At least, not enough to dictate the decision.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests.
Other than emoting one's disgust for those who don't get vaccinated, what form should this disrespect take, in your opinion?
Combating the mistruths about the vaccines, educating people on the harm of a slow path to herd immunity, and pointing out when someone talks of a cardiac case or death of a vaccinated person that overwhelmingly more good than harm has come from the vaccine and the person making the point of the exceptional case may have an ulterior motive or talking out of lack of education.
Perhaps a discussion on freedom for the individual is wrapped in the common good.
We have now administered over 3 billion doses of vaccines around the world. This is not some study of 52 people that appears on social media every day about the wonders of….let’s say radishes.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 22:58 last edited by@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests.
Other than emoting one's disgust for those who don't get vaccinated, what form should this disrespect take, in your opinion?
Combating the mistruths about the vaccines, educating people on the harm of a slow path to herd immunity, and pointing out when someone talks of a cardiac case or death of a vaccinated person that overwhelmingly more good than harm has come from the vaccine and the person making the point of the exceptional case may have an ulterior motive or talking out of lack of education.
Perhaps a discussion on freedom for the individual is wrapped in the common good.
We have now administered over 3 billion doses of vaccines around the world. This is not some study of 52 people that appears on social media every day about the wonders of….let’s say radishes.
Sounds good, more power to you. Just don't expect all that to change many minds.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:01 last edited by
I think we all agree there's a lot of bloody morons out there. The only disagreement is which specific group they're made up from.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:23 last edited by
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/04/republicans-vaccines/
GOP governors implored their residents on Sunday to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, as polling shows that vaccine hesitancy has been driven by Republicans and as the virus’s new, more contagious delta variant has caused recent upticks in covid-19 cases in areas with low vaccination rates.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:26 last edited by
And again, while the Delta cases have been increasing dramatically for months, the hospitalizations and CFR rate has been dropping. The CFR on the Delta variant is at or below the common flu. As has been pointed out many times, this is typical behavior for these types of viruses.
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And again, while the Delta cases have been increasing dramatically for months, the hospitalizations and CFR rate has been dropping. The CFR on the Delta variant is at or below the common flu. As has been pointed out many times, this is typical behavior for these types of viruses.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:42 last edited by@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
And again, while the Delta cases have been increasing dramatically for months, the hospitalizations and CFR rate has been dropping. The CFR on the Delta variant is at or below the common flu. As has been pointed out many times, this is typical behavior for these types of viruses.
From your lips to god’s ears. I sincerely hope you are right and pray people aren’t making vaccination decisions based on what you typed. I think you might be a little behind on the latest info too.
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And again, while the Delta cases have been increasing dramatically for months, the hospitalizations and CFR rate has been dropping. The CFR on the Delta variant is at or below the common flu. As has been pointed out many times, this is typical behavior for these types of viruses.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:49 last edited by@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
CFR rate has been dropping.
And that's true in South Africa (which was mentioned earlier).
Cases rising, CFR falling.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:53 last edited by
CFR of various diseases:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_disease_case_fatality_rates
You don't want to get rabies or spongiform encephalopathy.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:54 last edited by Loki 7 Apr 2021, 23:57
George CFR in South Africa may be dropping but in a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Second their CFR is much higher than the world average.
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George CFR in South Africa may be dropping but in a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Second their CFR is much higher than the world average.
wrote on 4 Jul 2021, 23:58 last edited by@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
n a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Yes.
As @bachophile said, a less-deadly virus which is more infectious is worse that a more deadly-virus that is less infectious, when viewed through the prism of the impact on a group.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
n a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Yes.
As @bachophile said, a less-deadly virus which is more infectious is worse that a more deadly-virus that is less infectious, when viewed through the prism of the impact on a group.
wrote on 5 Jul 2021, 00:17 last edited by@george-k said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
n a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Yes.
As @bachophile said, a less-deadly virus which is more infectious is worse that a more deadly-virus that is less infectious, when viewed through the prism of the impact on a group.
Absolutely, but we are at a point where nearly 60% of the population is vaccinated, a much higher percentage of adults, and the less vaccinated younger folk are still at a much lower threat from the disease. The most dominant form of the disease is far more virulent than the original but is also far milder. Hospitalizations are lower, CFR is lower, and it seems like even long time effects such as those your daughter is suffering through are also far lower. I think it’s safe to start worrying more about the billions of unvaccinated in other countries a bit more than the minority here.