99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ - Benjamin Franklin
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ - Benjamin Franklin
I think it’s fair to say that the least educated on both left and right are the ones who don’t want the vaccine. I’m quite sure Ben Franklin would have something to say about that.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Nonsensical anti-vax rhetoric exists, and people who don't get vaccinated exist. I would be careful blaming the former for the existence of the latter though.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ - Benjamin Franklin
I think it’s fair to say that the least educated on both left and right are the ones who don’t want the vaccine. I’m quite sure Ben Franklin would have something to say about that.
Apparently they educate themselves on all this anti-vax rhetoric though?
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Maybe on the Fourth of July, you might have more empathy for Freedom...
Why in the world would you be touting that as a virtue after this past year. The January 6 shenanigans, the massive riots in Portland, Baltimore, DC, etc., etc. were all done in the name of freedom.
We have plenty of freaking freedom around here. Plenty. And collectively we have no concept of responsibility. I don't give a damn about the former until the jackasses whining about it start working on the latter.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Nonsensical anti-vax rhetoric exists, and people who don't get vaccinated exist. I would be careful blaming the former for the existence of the latter though.
I think we all live with fears and we all have unique things we are afraid of so I hear you. Some have said when the FDA moves from emergency authorization to full approval they will take the vaccine. If that’s it, we’ll it’s statistically pretty risky but okay, stay alone and safe like we all did until that day comes.also obviously immunocomprised and young kids are real questions as well.
Conflating a vaccine with liberty and freedom is a huge reveal on the driver of the decision making and is proof of the politics involved.
I can be a centrist or even a conservative and not worry a lick about freedom and liberty when it comes to vaccines. We asked all our healthcare workers and food service people to put their lives at riisk during the height of the pandemic for the good of the nation and now freedom and liberty are at stake? I just can’t even…
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I got the vaccine as early as possible. I think many/most anti-vax people are being foolish (the Bill Gates chip people, government mind control, etc.); however, I do know some intelligent people who have chosen not to vax - not for any particular reason other than the "what we don't know, that we don't know" - which I can understand.
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Maybe on the Fourth of July, you might have more empathy for Freedom...
Why in the world would you be touting that as a virtue after this past year. The January 6 shenanigans, the massive riots in Portland, Baltimore, DC, etc., etc. were all done in the name of freedom.
We have plenty of freaking freedom around here. Plenty. And collectively we have no concept of responsibility. I don't give a damn about the former until the jackasses whining about it start working on the latter.
No, there is less freedom today, than in years past. You may think it's enough, but I don't.
Much of the reason that many today have no concept of responsibility, is that they've never had to shoulder any. Not really.
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@kluurs said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I got the vaccine as early as possible. I think many/most anti-vax people are being foolish (the Bill Gates chip people, government mind control, etc.); however, I do know some intelligent people who have chosen not to vax - not for any particular reason other than the "what we don't know, that we don't know" - which I can understand.
One of the people I know that has so far refused to be vaccinated has a PhD from Northwestern. I don't consider her to be unintelligent.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@kluurs said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I got the vaccine as early as possible. I think many/most anti-vax people are being foolish (the Bill Gates chip people, government mind control, etc.); however, I do know some intelligent people who have chosen not to vax - not for any particular reason other than the "what we don't know, that we don't know" - which I can understand.
Sure, I can understand that too. I have a very low bar for accepting and respecting the reasoning of others to do what they'd like within the law.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Conflating a vaccine with liberty and freedom is a huge reveal on the driver of the decision making and is proof of the politics involved.
People are free to get the vaccine or not. If you think people are avoiding the vaccine to make a point about freedom, you should probably try to disentangle their real reasons, or lack thereof. I'm comfortable with "because they don't feel like it", and I feel strongly that people who don't feel like getting the vaccine are not necessarily anti-social imbeciles. I also feel strongly that there should be no law forcing people to get the vaccine.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Conflating a vaccine with liberty and freedom is a huge reveal on the driver of the decision making and is proof of the politics involved.
People are free to get the vaccine or not. If you think people are avoiding the vaccine to make a point about freedom, you should probably try to disentangle their real reasons, or lack thereof. I'm comfortable with "because they don't feel like it", and I feel strongly that people who don't feel like getting the vaccine are not necessarily anti-social imbeciles. I also feel strongly that there should be no law forcing people to get the vaccine.
I don’t think there should be a mandatory vaccine either. I do think that as the evidence piles up we should separate fact from fiction. I always said the media should be held accountable for their TDS and exposed for their flagrant lies and mistruths. I am applying the same principle here.
I also don’t want some new variant to be the excuse why every child can’t be in person in our education system this fall. The longer Covid hangs out the more it mutates.
I have one purpose, which I articulated right from the beginning, let’s get this country and our economy operating at normal.
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And 95% were senior citizens… Why aren’t we talking about that number? People need to stop being old!
Fact is, if you are under 50, vaccinated or under vaccinated, you are at little personal risk. Great societal risk, but little personal.
As for autonomy, if it’s taken away whenever necessary for the public good, then it’s not autonomy.
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This thread reminds us of my father. He always prided himself on bringing us up to be independent thinkers. His failing was he assumed that any independent thinker would come to the same conclusions he did and was quite perplexed when all three of us came to wildly different conclusions.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I have one purpose, which I articulated right from the beginning, let’s get this country and our economy operating at normal.
You say that like there is some known way to make the country and economy normal.
If nobody had ever worn a mask covid might be totally gone by now, and everything would be normal.
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@mik said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
This thread reminds us of my father. He always prided himself on bringing us up to be independent thinkers. His failing was he assumed that any independent thinker would come to the same conclusions he did and was quite perplexed when all three of us came to wildly different conclusions.
And what is the rational conclusion of people not taking the vaccine other than my body my choice?
Can we just put the evidence up side by side?
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@kluurs said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I got the vaccine as early as possible.. I do know some intelligent people who have chosen not to vax - not for any particular reason other than the "what we don't know, that we don't know" - which I can understand.
A close friend of mine, a surgeon, has refused because he's skeptical of the mRNA technology, and that the vaccines were given "emergency use" approval - which, to his mind means "not completely tested."
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Frankly? If I was 10 years younger, I probably would’ve passed.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@mik said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
This thread reminds us of my father. He always prided himself on bringing us up to be independent thinkers. His failing was he assumed that any independent thinker would come to the same conclusions he did and was quite perplexed when all three of us came to wildly different conclusions.
And what is the rational conclusion of people not taking the vaccine other than my body my choice?
Can we just put the evidence up side by side?
Hi, Dad!
You are making the same mistake in assuming everyone will approach the issue on the same evidence basis you do, and even if they do will look at the same evidence. I do, but I also know a lot of people who do not approach it that way and see the vaccine in very different lights.
