99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
They almost certainly aren't hurting you in any meaningful way.
They're much more likely to get infected, which increases the chances of those around them getting infected, not to mention acting as an incubator for new, more dangerous variants. You're about as wrong as you could possibly be.
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I'm aware of the talking points and I'm sure there is some unquantified truth there. But I'll go ahead and believe that those who choose to remain unvaccinated are hurting themselves, to the extent they're hurting anybody. I respect their decision and I accept whatever tiny increase to my own danger they pose to me as a vaccinated person.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It's strange how personally you appear to be taking anti-vaxxers. They almost certainly aren't hurting you in any meaningful way. It's unseemly to be happy when they die.
Dying for your beliefs is one thing, passing the virus to another is something all together different. I suspect those dying have their regrets but I am truly very empathic to the trail of tragedy they leave for the loved ones around them.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It's strange how personally you appear to be taking anti-vaxxers. They almost certainly aren't hurting you in any meaningful way. It's unseemly to be happy when they die.
Dying for your beliefs is one thing, passing the virus to another is something all together different. I suspect those dying have their regrets but I am truly very empathic to the trail of tragedy they leave for the loved ones around them.
The statistic in your thread title indicates that vaccinations are effective shields against this scourge of anti-vaxxers you're on a crusade against. (You actually meet people giving you anti-vax spiels? None of my hundreds of friends have given me any such spiel.)
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Increasingly studies are showing that those who had Covid have immunity decline. One I can’t find, suggests as short as four months, in the article below, the current official thinking is 8-9 months.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-face-the-nation-07-04-2021/
It’s important that myths of natural immunity, DNA mutations from the vaccine, other low odds issues like blood clots and cardiac issues be dispelled especially when we see that overwhelmingly it is not being vaccinated is the Proximate cause.
Why should people be in harms way only because their tribe propagates bad info?
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It's strange how personally you appear to be taking anti-vaxxers. They almost certainly aren't hurting you in any meaningful way. It's unseemly to be happy when they die.
Dying for your beliefs is one thing, passing the virus to another is something all together different. I suspect those dying have their regrets but I am truly very empathic to the trail of tragedy they leave for the loved ones around them.
The statistic in your thread title indicates that vaccinations are effective shields against this scourge of anti-vaxxers you're on a crusade against. (You actually meet people giving you anti-vax spiels? None of my hundreds of friends have given me any such spiel.)
My odds range from 50/50 to just 25% depending on where I hang out.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It's strange how personally you appear to be taking anti-vaxxers. They almost certainly aren't hurting you in any meaningful way. It's unseemly to be happy when they die.
Dying for your beliefs is one thing, passing the virus to another is something all together different. I suspect those dying have their regrets but I am truly very empathic to the trail of tragedy they leave for the loved ones around them.
The statistic in your thread title indicates that vaccinations are effective shields against this scourge of anti-vaxxers you're on a crusade against. (You actually meet people giving you anti-vax spiels? None of my hundreds of friends have given me any such spiel.)
My odds range from 50/50 to just 25% depending on where I hang out.
You think most people who don't get the vaccine have been indoctrinated by anti-vax rhetoric? Or do they just generally not feel like getting a vaccination, and anybody who throws numbers in their face while shouting "but what about ME and how you're affecting ME" can just go f themselves?
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
They almost certainly aren't hurting you in any meaningful way.
They're much more likely to get infected, which increases the chances of those around them getting infected, not to mention acting as an incubator for new, more dangerous variants. You're about as wrong as you could possibly be.
meaningful
1 death per 100 million people who already have a terminal disease is not meaningful.
It may, however, be correct, which makes you the winner.
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Maybe on the Fourth of July, you might have more empathy for Freedom...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Maybe on the Fourth of July, you might have more empathy for Freedom...
And safety. You can’t talk about one without the other.
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‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ - Benjamin Franklin
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ - Benjamin Franklin
I think it’s fair to say that the least educated on both left and right are the ones who don’t want the vaccine. I’m quite sure Ben Franklin would have something to say about that.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Nonsensical anti-vax rhetoric exists, and people who don't get vaccinated exist. I would be careful blaming the former for the existence of the latter though.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ - Benjamin Franklin
I think it’s fair to say that the least educated on both left and right are the ones who don’t want the vaccine. I’m quite sure Ben Franklin would have something to say about that.
Apparently they educate themselves on all this anti-vax rhetoric though?
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Maybe on the Fourth of July, you might have more empathy for Freedom...
Why in the world would you be touting that as a virtue after this past year. The January 6 shenanigans, the massive riots in Portland, Baltimore, DC, etc., etc. were all done in the name of freedom.
We have plenty of freaking freedom around here. Plenty. And collectively we have no concept of responsibility. I don't give a damn about the former until the jackasses whining about it start working on the latter.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I guess we know the answer now. Remember that the next time you meet an anti-vaxxer and they give you that convoluted spiel and they are so cock sure they are right.
We are in Darwin Award territory.
Joyous bastard, aren't you?
I take no pleasure in people dying. But it's their decision whether to be vaccinated or not. Their decision whether to run the risk of vaccination or run the risk of disease.
Because the "vaccine" does not function as vaccines that we are used to...It does not work the same way, some of the long-term side-effects are unknown and it does not prevent vaccinated people from catching the disease they have been vaccinated against. Or maybe they simply can't take the vaccine.
Variants are going to happen. It's what viruses do. You can vaccinate until Hell freezes over, and since this vaccine does not keep people from getting the disease, some of the most interesting variants will probably arise from the rank of the vaccinated.
Maybe you'll get sick enough to die from one that the vaccine makers never saw coming. Well guess what, that's life. Impractical, improbable and never knowing what tomorrow will bring.
So don't live your life hating other people or cowering in your basement in fear. I made a few changes in my routine, but COVID lockdown didn't change my lifestyle a huge amount. Back when AIDS was first becoming prevalent and we didn't have a clue what it was or how it infected people, we cared for patients who were dying with the disease. That was a pretty good gut check. You eventually realize you just have to live life and what will be, will be.
We are not guaranteed tomorrow. None of us. Do what is practical, do what is right for you and let other people do what they feel is right for them.
The flaw in your assumption is that they have good information. The truth always comes out eventually. Any joy people may perceive is the relief that the bullshit is now exposed, so perhaps the note to self is to have more empathy for bullshit?
Nonsensical anti-vax rhetoric exists, and people who don't get vaccinated exist. I would be careful blaming the former for the existence of the latter though.
I think we all live with fears and we all have unique things we are afraid of so I hear you. Some have said when the FDA moves from emergency authorization to full approval they will take the vaccine. If that’s it, we’ll it’s statistically pretty risky but okay, stay alone and safe like we all did until that day comes.also obviously immunocomprised and young kids are real questions as well.
Conflating a vaccine with liberty and freedom is a huge reveal on the driver of the decision making and is proof of the politics involved.
I can be a centrist or even a conservative and not worry a lick about freedom and liberty when it comes to vaccines. We asked all our healthcare workers and food service people to put their lives at riisk during the height of the pandemic for the good of the nation and now freedom and liberty are at stake? I just can’t even…
