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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    Wow

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Copper
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      Material failure, design failure, terrorists?

      Any idea yet?

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      • CopperC Copper

        Material failure, design failure, terrorists?

        Any idea yet?

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        George K
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        @copper supposedly the building has been "sinking" for a number of years. Perhaps it reached its "can't go beyond here" point this morning. I've not read anything about terrorism.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          I see that now, sinking for over 20 years.

          I'll have to remember, to fix my house in less than 20 years if it starts sinking.

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            jon-nyc
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            Probably a sink hole. It’s been raining a lot down there lately.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Probably a sink hole. It’s been raining a lot down there lately.

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              George K
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              @jon-nyc said in The building collapse in Miami:

              Probably a sink hole.

              I was thinking that. Is there a way to predict where sinkholes happen?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                #8

                My niece’s husband is a civil engineer who does structural failure investigations and will likely be on this case.

                He was on the Hard Rock in New Orleans too.

                So I’ll have some good scoop in 18 months or so. lol

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  My niece’s husband is a civil engineer who does structural failure investigations and will likely be on this case.

                  He was on the Hard Rock in New Orleans too.

                  So I’ll have some good scoop in 18 months or so. lol

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                  George K
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                  @jon-nyc said in The building collapse in Miami:

                  My niece’s husband is a civil engineer who does structural failure investigations and will likely be on this case.

                  He was on the Hard Rock in New Orleans too.

                  So I’ll have some good scoop in 18 months or so. lol

                  Is there an update on that one? Last I heard/read, it was uncured concrete that couldn't support the structure.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    I dont know about the sinkhole thing. Those buildings should be piered down to bedrock.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Sinkholes tend to be in karst topography. Is that a thing in that area? We have the Sinkhole Capital of the US in the area where I live. Prestigious title, eh?

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                        A Florida-born woman once told me that sinkholes were caused by the plethora of swimming pools.

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          Mayor of Miami says they have 159 unaccounted for.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            A friend had looked to buy there but it was more expense than he was looking for. It was not low rent… the sister in law of the President of Paraguay for example is unaccounted for at this time.

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                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

                              Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

                              The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

                              Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

                              "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

                                Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

                                The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

                                Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

                                "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

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                                @mik said in The building collapse in Miami:

                                "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

                                That’s gonna leave a mark!

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  2018 report and they were 'just getting ready to start' on the repairs.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

                                    Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

                                    The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

                                    Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

                                    "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

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                                    Loki
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                                    @mik said in The building collapse in Miami:

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

                                    Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

                                    The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

                                    Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

                                    "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

                                    I read somewhere else that he did not indicate any imminent type problems which apparently is what you do when it’s important to get right on it.

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                                      George K
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                                      The engineer's report

                                      https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-ave---structural-field-survey-report.pdf?sfvrsn=882a1194_2

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Surfside building were facing assessments for $15 million worth of repairs

                                        Condo owners in the South Florida tower that collapsed last week were facing assessments for millions of dollars worth of repairs -- with payments set to begin a week after the building's deadly fall.

                                        The Champlain Towers South condo association approved a $15 million assessment in April to complete repairs required under the county's 40-year recertification process, according to documents obtained by CNN.
                                        The documents show that more than two years had passed after association members received a report about "major structural damage" in the building before they started the assessment process to pay for necessary repairs.
                                        Owners would have to pay assessments ranging from $80,190 for one-bedroom units to $336,135 for the owner of the building's four-bedroom penthouse, a document sent to the building's residents said. The deadline to pay upfront or choose paying a monthly fee lasting 15 years was July 1.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Well, I bet the recertification process grows bigger teeth in the immediate future.

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                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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