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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @horace said in Loudoun county:

    @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

    What’s the problem?
    What is it that you object to?

    Critical race theory being taught to kids.

    Why is that a problem?

    Is it a bigger problem than, say, teaching various other socialogical theories and “-isms” to kids?

    Suppose, in a sociology class or a history class, the kids spend one unit learning about “critical race theory,” more or less like they spend one unit learning about ”communism“ or ”socialism“ or ”anti-semitism“ or “gender discrimination“ or ”xenophobia“ or “creationism“ ... is the former “worse”? How so?

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    Loki
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    @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

    @horace said in Loudoun county:

    @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

    What’s the problem?
    What is it that you object to?

    Critical race theory being taught to kids.

    Why is that a problem?

    Is it a bigger problem than, say, teaching various other socialogical theories and “-isms” to kids?

    Suppose, in a sociology class or a history class, the kids spend one unit learning about “critical race theory,” more or less like they spend one unit learning about ”communism“ or ”socialism“ or ”anti-semitism“ or “gender discrimination“ or ”xenophobia“ or “creationism“ ... is the former “worse”? How so?

    It’s a problem because it’s primary weapon is to cancel anything that is not part of its doxology. It’s illiberal.

    Telling white people to shut the fuck up is a non starter.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @horace said in Loudoun county:

      @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

      What’s the problem?
      What is it that you object to?

      Critical race theory being taught to kids.

      Why is that a problem?

      Is it a bigger problem than, say, teaching various other socialogical theories and “-isms” to kids?

      Suppose, in a sociology class or a history class, the kids spend one unit learning about “critical race theory,” more or less like they spend one unit learning about ”communism“ or ”socialism“ or ”anti-semitism“ or “gender discrimination“ or ”xenophobia“ or “creationism“ ... is the former “worse”? How so?

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      HoraceH Online
      Horace
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      #8

      @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

      @horace said in Loudoun county:

      @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

      What’s the problem?
      What is it that you object to?

      Critical race theory being taught to kids.

      Why is that a problem?

      The problem is the messaging with which it is presented - as if it's true thing to be learned about and believed. As if it is shameful not to believe it.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #9

        Critical race theory is marxist in origin and devisive in practice. It ensures the raising of social cripples and eviscerates any semblance of meritocracy. It is a lead-pipe cinch to create immense societal backlash and eventual hurt to the very people it supposedly helps. It might even be the genesis of a new civil war.

        Other than that, it's okay, I guess.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Critical race theory is marxist in origin and devisive in practice. It ensures the raising of social cripples and eviscerates any semblance of meritocracy. It is a lead-pipe cinch to create immense societal backlash and eventual hurt to the very people it supposedly helps. It might even be the genesis of a new civil war.

          Other than that, it's okay, I guess.

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          Klaus
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          #10

          @jolly said in Loudoun county:

          Critical race theory is marxist in origin

          One hears that a lot, but I'm not sure that's true.

          Just because both are bad doesn't mean that one is derived from the other.

          For instance, one of the pillars of CRT (or, more specifically, "postmodernism") is the rejection of "grand narratives". But marxisms is a "grand narrative".

          They do share the idea of dividing people into tribes and then only talk about the tribes and not about individuals. But you could say the same about fascism, or many other ideologies.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            What’s the problem?
            What is it that you object to?

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            Copper
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            #11

            @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

            What’s the problem?
            What is it that you object to?

            White children are taught that white people are bad.

            The fact is that all people are bad, not just white people.

            Tell the whole story.

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            • CopperC Copper

              @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

              What’s the problem?
              What is it that you object to?

              White children are taught that white people are bad.

              The fact is that all people are bad, not just white people.

              Tell the whole story.

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              LuFins Dad
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              #12

              @copper said in Loudoun county:

              @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

              What’s the problem?
              What is it that you object to?

              White children are taught that white people are bad.

              The fact is that all people are bad, not just white people.

              Tell the whole story.

              And worse, Black children are taught that they can't succeed unless the system is rigged in their direction.

              The Brad

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #13

                Yes, that is worse

                That has been the message for years. I'm sure it is crippling a lot of good people.

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                • HoraceH Online
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                  Horace
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                  Yep. Of course it is systemic psychological abuse of black people, especially children, perpetrated on them by high status white people who really do feel inherently superior to them.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @copper said in Loudoun county:

                    @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

                    What’s the problem?
                    What is it that you object to?

                    White children are taught that white people are bad.

                    The fact is that all people are bad, not just white people.

                    Tell the whole story.

                    And worse, Black children are taught that they can't succeed unless the system is rigged in their direction.

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                    Jolly
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                    @lufins-dad said in Loudoun county:

                    @copper said in Loudoun county:

                    @axtremus said in Loudoun county:

                    What’s the problem?
                    What is it that you object to?

                    White children are taught that white people are bad.

                    The fact is that all people are bad, not just white people.

                    Tell the whole story.

                    And worse, Black children are taught that they can't succeed unless the system is rigged in their direction.

                    At one time in my early career, if a black doc walked in the room, you assumed they were sharp as a tack. Before I left in 2015, you assumed the opposite.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      Copper
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                      #16

                      Lufins people go crazy!

                      It is about time!

                      https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-loudoun-county-school-board-mulls-transgender-critical-race-theory-policies

                      Virginia's Loudoun County School Board silences public comment after raucous meeting, 2 men arrested

                      Loudoun County School Board meetings have become major events in the community

                      The embattled school board of Virginia’s Loudoun County cut off public comments during a fiery meeting Tuesday as residents traded barbs over new transgender policy proposals.

                      The meeting followed weeks of protests from district parents who oppose some of the measures, which they have criticized as potential left-wing indoctrination and a violation of parental rights.

                      The policies affect transgender student rights, privacy and restroom accommodations and would require Loudoun County Public Schools employees to use students’ preferred names or pronouns. An official school board vote on the proposal is not expected until at least Aug. 10.

                      But it has become a hot-button issue in the district, where 259 residents signed up to speak during the public comment session Tuesday and people lined up at the doors early to get seats in the packed auditorium.

                      The first half-dozen speakers were in support of policy proposal 8040, but fireworks erupted when the seventh, who identified herself as the mother of a transgender Loudoun student, was booed after saying "hate" was "dripping from the followers of Jesus in this room" – a swipe at Christian parents in the district who have argued that transgender discussions should be held at home and not in public school.

                      The board called a five-minute recess to let things cool off.

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        Lufins people go crazy!

                        It is about time!

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-loudoun-county-school-board-mulls-transgender-critical-race-theory-policies

                        Virginia's Loudoun County School Board silences public comment after raucous meeting, 2 men arrested

                        Loudoun County School Board meetings have become major events in the community

                        The embattled school board of Virginia’s Loudoun County cut off public comments during a fiery meeting Tuesday as residents traded barbs over new transgender policy proposals.

                        The meeting followed weeks of protests from district parents who oppose some of the measures, which they have criticized as potential left-wing indoctrination and a violation of parental rights.

                        The policies affect transgender student rights, privacy and restroom accommodations and would require Loudoun County Public Schools employees to use students’ preferred names or pronouns. An official school board vote on the proposal is not expected until at least Aug. 10.

                        But it has become a hot-button issue in the district, where 259 residents signed up to speak during the public comment session Tuesday and people lined up at the doors early to get seats in the packed auditorium.

                        The first half-dozen speakers were in support of policy proposal 8040, but fireworks erupted when the seventh, who identified herself as the mother of a transgender Loudoun student, was booed after saying "hate" was "dripping from the followers of Jesus in this room" – a swipe at Christian parents in the district who have argued that transgender discussions should be held at home and not in public school.

                        The board called a five-minute recess to let things cool off.

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        @copper said in Loudoun county:

                        Lufins people go crazy!

                        It is about time!

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-loudoun-county-school-board-mulls-transgender-critical-race-theory-policies

                        Virginia's Loudoun County School Board silences public comment after raucous meeting, 2 men arrested

                        Loudoun County School Board meetings have become major events in the community

                        The embattled school board of Virginia’s Loudoun County cut off public comments during a fiery meeting Tuesday as residents traded barbs over new transgender policy proposals.

                        The meeting followed weeks of protests from district parents who oppose some of the measures, which they have criticized as potential left-wing indoctrination and a violation of parental rights.

                        The policies affect transgender student rights, privacy and restroom accommodations and would require Loudoun County Public Schools employees to use students’ preferred names or pronouns. An official school board vote on the proposal is not expected until at least Aug. 10.

                        But it has become a hot-button issue in the district, where 259 residents signed up to speak during the public comment session Tuesday and people lined up at the doors early to get seats in the packed auditorium.

                        The first half-dozen speakers were in support of policy proposal 8040, but fireworks erupted when the seventh, who identified herself as the mother of a transgender Loudoun student, was booed after saying "hate" was "dripping from the followers of Jesus in this room" – a swipe at Christian parents in the district who have argued that transgender discussions should be held at home and not in public school.

                        The board called a five-minute recess to let things cool off.

                        Compelling speech is wrong in all forms. Interesting timing, as Luke and I drove to CNU last night and had a long talk about Freedom of Speech issues and listened to the Jordan Peterson podcast…

                        The Brad

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                          George K
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                          Cotton vs Garland

                          Link to video

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Thank God this guy never made it to the Supreme Court.

                            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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