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That was the same impression I've had since I started using it - coherent and very, very useful.

I was going to say amazing, but I detest that lazy-ass word.

Reminds me of a style of thread that I used to detest on the internet, and which has mostly died out. The "words and phrases you hate" style discussions, where everybody chips in with their arbitrary pet peeves about commonly used language. "At the end of the day", "ultimately", "folks", "amazing", who knows what might make an appearance on people's hit lists.

Horace

@jon-nyc said in Fans care more about winning than the players do:

You may have mentioned it before but what made you leave the fandom world?

Wasn't really a conscious choice, just lost interest. Why did I lose interest? The NFL got to a point where it was too frustrating to watch, and the emotional investment in my team was giving predictable negative returns. Too much arbitrary officiating that held way too much sway over the outcomes. Too many player injuries, taking your favorite players out of games for weeks or seasons at a time. Difficulty even watching the games because of the NFL's relentless monetization schemes. The realization about the subject of this thread, that the fans care more about the franchise than the players do. Which I guess should be obvious, but it's a downer.

Mik

I suspect that smuggling things into Russia is pretty easy due to rampant corruption.

Mik

The Oldest Recorded Recipe in History: Babylonian Lamb Stew

Over 4,000 years ago, scribes in ancient Mesopotamia etched this recipe into clay tablets—making it the first known written recipe in human history.

No measurements. No precise times. Just instinct, experience, and sacred ingredients passed down through temple kitchens and royal courts.

Here’s the translation from the cuneiform Yale Tablets:

“Mutton is used. Prepare water, add fat. Samidu; coriander; cumin; and kanasu. Assemble all the ingredients in the cooking vessel and sprinkle with crushed garlic. Then blend into the pot suhutinnu and mint.”

What does that become today? A slow-simmered stew of lamb and parsnip, infused with coriander, cumin, garlic, and fresh mint. It’s earthy, rich, and aromatic—worthy of a Sumerian king or Babylonian priest.

Recipe + historical source: https://eatshistory.com/the-oldest-recorded-recipe.../

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Mik

I other words, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had. in anything you can name, conflicts requiring compromise abound. It's not toadyism.

Mik

That was the same impression I've had since I started using it - coherent and very, very useful.

I was going to say amazing, but I detest that lazy-ass word.

Mik

That's a colossal fuckup, and yes, a great video.

Horace

In fairness, a total lack of shame reads as "strength" in many contexts. Definitely a good point about the weak minds though.

Horace

Another area this comes up is in belief in free speech. I am guessing Trump haters on twitter are all but unanimous that Musk does not care one bit about free speech, and that he only uses that messaging to cynically appeal to his tribe. Again, a rhetorical binary. Meanwhile, on the continuum of actual belief in free speech, I believe Musk tends towards actual belief, even while his practical choices have to weigh lots of confounding factors against that belief.

Horace

@jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

"And you know, it's not like I agree with everything the administration does," said Musk. "So it's like, I mean, I agree with much of what the administration does. But we have differences of opinion. You know, there are things that I don't entirely agree with. But it's difficult for me to bring that up in an interview because then it creates a bone of contention. So then, I'm a little stuck in a bind, where I'm like, well, I don't wanna, you know, speak up against the administration, but I also don't wanna take responsibility for everything this administration's doing."

Toadyism runs on a continuum, it’s not binary. There may exist some policy that could cause Elon to publicly criticize Trump but we haven’t found it yet. The economy and the fiscal trajectory are close, but again he can criticize indirectly by attacking surrogates.

We could spend an afternoon placing various republicans along the continuum from independent minded to cultist but each of them definitely have their place on it.

I don’t know any elected GOP official that has publicly denounced the open corruption, for example. (Which is different from claiming that none have done so)

of course it's a continuum. I understand those sorts of things, because I am not a child, nor chained to directional rhetoric. My original claim was that the mainstream Trump-hating view of Musk, for instance the predominant view in your Twitter feed, would be that Musk is at an extreme end. You can claim that it's totally not surprising that Musk would say what he's saying, because you know where on that continuum he resides, and it's not at the Trump toady extreme. Now go find anywhere on your twitter feed where the direction of a bit of Musk rhetoric from a Trump hater, was to nudge anybody's opinion away from Musk being an all-in toady for Trump. I bet it would take a long while to find that. It won't be a cathartic release for a Trump hater to nudge anybody away from that line of thinking, so they won't.

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