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  • Totally insane uber prices last night
    AxtremusA Axtremus

    @Tom-K said:

    In Florida we have something called Scout. It's like Uber only run by the county. Here's the pricing: ...

    See, there is a government-run program you can love. 🙂

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  • Ohio politics are about to explode.
    MikM Mik

    This is bigger than the recent First Energy scandal. I wasn't sure the article was accurate, so I asked Gemini.

    Ohio lawmakers working to rein in the state's data center tax break just discovered something that stopped them in their tracks: the three biggest tech companies in the state signed contracts during the Kasich administration that guarantee them 100% sales tax exemptions for up to 40 years, and there is nothing the legislature can do to undo them.

    Amazon, Meta, and Google each locked in deals between 2014 and 2018 worth an estimated $600 million apiece, totaling at least $1.8 billion combined, with a state footnote warning the actual cost could be "significantly higher" given the uncapped nature of the exemptions. The contracts do not expire until 2055, 2056, and 2058 respectively. When measured against the job commitments in those agreements, the math is staggering: Amazon's deal works out to roughly $567,000 per job, Meta's to $12 million per job, and Google's to approximately $30 million per job 🔍.

    Most lawmakers say they had no idea these contracts existed until they surfaced in the last few days as the legislature rushed to draft reform legislation. House Speaker Huffman said the Department of Development should not be signing 30-year contracts without legislative knowledge. One Democratic lawmaker said there are only two plausible explanations for how the $1.57 billion annual cost was projected at just $136 million: negligence or an intentional cover-up. The contracts are constitutionally protected and cannot be voided, meaning 76% of Ohio's data center market is untouchable regardless of what new legislation passes.>Yes, this story is highly accurate and reflects a massive, fast-breaking political controversy currently unfolding at the Ohio Statehouse.

    Statehouse reporters recently uncovered the exact details you mentioned, confirming that Amazon, Meta, and Google signed long-term, statewide contracts back in the mid-2010s that largely insulate them from the legislature's current attempts to claw back data center tax breaks.

    A breakdown of what makes this story accurate, along with a few minor clarifications on the fast-moving math, is detailed below:

    1. The 40-Year "Kasich-Era" Contracts

    Your narrative is entirely correct regarding the origin and length of the contracts. Documents recently obtained from the Ohio Department of Development reveal that between 2014 and 2018 (under former Governor John Kasich), Amazon, Meta, and Google signed unique, statewide agreements rather than site-specific deals.

    • While the tax exemptions originally started at 15 years, the contracts included clauses allowing them to stretch up to 40 years if the companies met an $8 billion investment threshold.

    • Because they are binding legal contracts, lawmakers have admitted that they are likely constitutionally protected from being retroactively voided by the legislature.

    2. The Math: Sticker Shock & The "Per Job" Costs

    The eye-popping figures in your story are grounded in actual state data, though there is a slight nuance in how the $600 million figure is calculated:

    • The Totals: According to leaked state documents, Ohio has committed an estimated $600 million apiece to Google, Meta, and Amazon over the life of these 40-year windows (bringing the Big Tech total to $1.8 billion, and the total committed state sales tax exemptions across 18 data center companies to $2.3 billion).

    • The "Uncapped" Footnote: The state documents do indeed contain a specific footnote warning that because the sales tax exemption is uncapped, the final cost could be "significantly higher."

    • The Job Ratios: Data centers are notoriously capital-intensive but labor-light. While Amazon committed to a relatively high number of jobs (over 1,000) across its sprawling retail and cloud footprint, Meta and Google committed to minimal annual payroll floors ($4 million and $2.5 million, respectively). When you divide hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks by the few dozen permanent staff needed to run a data center warehouse, the math results in the staggering multi-million-dollar "subsidies per job" you highlighted.

    3. The Legislative Fallout and the "Cover-Up" Allegations

    The timeline and political reactions align perfectly with recent events:

    • The Underestimate: Lawmakers originally relied on a state Department of Taxation forecast that projected the data center sales tax exemption would cost the state roughly $136 million a year.

    • The Reality: In late May, shocking actual cost data was revealed. The data center tax exemption cost Ohio $555 million in 2024 and ballooned to a massive $1.6 billion in 2025—eleven times the original estimate. This immense discrepancy is what prompted one Democratic lawmaker to call it either "negligence or an intentional cover-up."

    • The "76% Untouchable" Reality: House Speaker Matt Huffman and other lawmakers have publicly expressed shock and frustration over the multi-decade contracts. Because Amazon, Meta, and Google make up roughly 76% of Ohio’s data center market, the newly introduced legislation (which seeks to cut the sales tax break in half for future data centers) will completely miss the state's three largest tech players.


    Summary

    Your story is a completely true reflection of the current situation. Ohio gave Big Tech what amounts to a blank check in the 2010s to lure them to the state. Now that the bill has arrived at $1.6 billion anually, lawmakers are finding out their hands are legally tied for the next 30+ years.

    To see the tech giants themselves answering for these subsidies and explaining their investments directly to frustrated lawmakers, you can watch

    Link to video. This video captures the actual June 2026 joint committee hearing where these exact issues were debated.

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  • The Last Ship
    HoraceH Horace

    He is probably the answer to what might Beethoven have become in modern America. It's not the real answer, but it's probably a decent one.

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  • The Last Ship
    MikM Mik

    I’d like to see it.

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  • Save America Act solution
    MikM Mik

    @Horace said:

    As far as retiring to a foreign country goes, the idea that it's a paradisical existence leans into the (always idiotic) idea that travel is amazing. Which in turn leans into the (established idiotic) idea that the grass is always greener.

    I like a certain amount of travel, but my goal has been to build a life I don't need a vacation from.

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  • Save America Act solution
    HoraceH Horace

    Anybody who plays the "scientifically proven" card to resolve a question that is not susceptible to scientific inquiry, is immediately suspect. Just FYI.

    One can ask people about their self-reported happiness, I suppose. I bet Mr NS here would self-report a spike after leaving America. I would be wary of wanting to be in those particular psychological shoes.

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  • Save America Act solution
    HoraceH Horace

    As far as retiring to a foreign country goes, the idea that it's a paradisical existence leans into the (always idiotic) idea that travel is amazing. Which in turn leans into the (established idiotic) idea that the grass is always greener.

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  • Save America Act solution
    HoraceH Horace

    @Doctor-Phibes said:

    @NobodySock said:

    And envy is beneath all of you I’m sorry that my life is going so fucking great and I like to share it with you.

    C'mon, lighten up a bit. Telling you we're jealous of you is a compliment! I'd love to be able to retire to Italy, and honestly wish you only the best.

    I don't have to agree with you. I don't agree with almost everybody on this forum about a ton of stuff.

    Any American with a government pension, regardless of how stupid they'd been with their money throughout their past, can retire somewhere else. It's actually the path of less economic resistance. It establishes nothing about a person.

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  • Save America Act solution
    HoraceH Horace

    @NobodySock said:

    You’re not the first to suggest I let go of the struggle that afflicts Americans today.

    Of course I barely read anything you post, but you are emotionally connected to American politics, and it's not because you feel a sense of fealty to the country of your birth. America presently is just a target for you to dump your hatred onto, in your dotage, and it will remain in those crosshairs indefinitely.

    And you will never, ever convince me that you weren't a simple bald face liar when you claimed that your IRS colleagues were almost entirely hard core MAGA. You have a lot of explaining to do. Ask @89th whether that's remotely plausible. He's got lots and lots of fed worker contacts, and something tells me that his attitude towards MAGA hasn't evolved as a contrarian perspective within his personal social and economic network.

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  • Totally insane uber prices last night
    AxtremusA Axtremus

    Google’s AI says Uber calculates the customer fare and the driver’s pay separately — one algorithm to find the maximum for what customers are willing to pa for a ride, another separate algorithm to find the minimum for what drivers are willing to accept to provide a ride. I don’t think anyone is surprised by this. 🤷

    Uber also invests a lot in autonomous driving technology, so all this will become moot anyway when the customers develop enough trust in cars that drive themselves.

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