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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/10/trumps-50-year-mortgage-plan-is-getting-panned-allies-blame-this-man-00645654?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      It's easy to understand where the economic populism of the young generation is coming from. And it's not stupid, not at all. Individual policies might be, but not the perspective on unfairness and hopelessness.

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      @Horace said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

      It's easy to understand where the economic populism of the young generation is coming from. And it's not stupid, not at all. Individual policies might be, but not the perspective on unfairness and hopelessness.

      Just wait till the AI layoffs hit.

      While I’m an optimist and think there will be potential massive economic opportunities, that will be after quite a bit of economic pain for many people….

      The Brad

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      • MikM Offline
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        #15

        Agreed, LuFin. I'm gently coaxing my daughter to get on top of this and be the one who pilots using it in project management at her firm. i say gently because she's up to her ass in alligators at the moment through poorly written contracts and scopes.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/10/trumps-50-year-mortgage-plan-is-getting-panned-allies-blame-this-man-00645654?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

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          @jon-nyc said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

          https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/10/trumps-50-year-mortgage-plan-is-getting-panned-allies-blame-this-man-00645654?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

          It’s like they don’t expect Trump to be able to think for himself. How rude!

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            Very illuminating.

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            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Very illuminating.

              IMG_8730.jpeg

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              @jon-nyc said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

              Very illuminating.

              IMG_8730.jpeg

              Kind of surprising that it went up that much. Yes, I get that interest rates nearly doubled, but I would still think that the vast majority of mortgages pre-date the rate increases and wouldn’t be affected. Plus, there’s been a substantial decrease in home purchases over the last three years with the higher rates, and to top it off, cash buyers represent over a third of those new home sales…The only way this chart makes sense to me is if more people had variable rate mortgages than I had supposed.

              The Brad

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                Yeah, the more I think about it, that must be based on new mortgages only.

                Edit… Unless Interest only mortgages have made another comeback? I know a lot of investors use them when buying vacation rental properties….

                The Brad

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                • MikM Mik

                  Agreed, LuFin. I'm gently coaxing my daughter to get on top of this and be the one who pilots using it in project management at her firm. i say gently because she's up to her ass in alligators at the moment through poorly written contracts and scopes.

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                  @Mik said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

                  Agreed, LuFin. I'm gently coaxing my daughter to get on top of this and be the one who pilots using it in project management at her firm. i say gently because she's up to her ass in alligators at the moment through poorly written contracts and scopes.

                  Smart, if you can get informed NOW (certs, training, youtube videos, etc) and help lead the adoption of AI tools, you will cover your butt for a few years at least. I'll start a new thread with a fun AI game called gandalf...

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                    @jon-nyc any ideas of the sourcing of that graph? I’m seeing it pop up on Facebook, and while I see they cite Bloomberg and several realtor groups, there’s no actual citation or methodology for the graph listed. I’m strongly thinking it’s BS or poorly correlated data at the best.

                    The Brad

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                      I don't remember the original source, it was retweeted by a credible account. I agree it has to be newly originated mortgages.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        #23

                        I found this version, has a bit more detail. So yes, based on 30-year, 20% down, what would the 1st payment be (interest and principal). None of this is surprising based on how the rates jumped after 2021.

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                          I mean in our neighborhood if we bought today instead of 4 years ago (early 2021), we'd be paying an additional $1,400 per month in interest.

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                            The amount of principal being equal or lower than it was from 17-21 seems wrong, though, too. It would project that the median home value is lower than it was in 2021, and that’s certainly not the case.

                            The Brad

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                              I’m not trying to say that the interest rates haven’t drastically altered the equation. They obviously have… But as home prices have gone up, so too would the amount of principal paid per payment.

                              The Brad

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                                The other thing that strikes me is the recency bias. The interest rates over the past 25 years have been historically low. Even today. The total difference in principal vs interest as a percentage of the payment today isn’t that much more than it was in 2001. In fact, the mortgage interest rate today is actually lower than it was in 2001… The affordability crisis is not being caused by mortgage interest, it’s being caused by the Median home value skyrocketing increasing over 150% over 20 years while wages have only been a little better than stagnant.

                                The Brad

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                                  Yeah agreed on all counts

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    The amount of principal being equal or lower than it was from 17-21 seems wrong, though, too. It would project that the median home value is lower than it was in 2021, and that’s certainly not the case.

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

                                    The amount of principal being equal or lower than it was from 17-21 seems wrong, though, too. It would project that the median home value is lower than it was in 2021, and that’s certainly not the case.

                                    I thought about that. It probably means that on average people were taking on longer term mortgages as rates rose - fewer 15yr and more 30 yr. That means less principal in the early payment.

                                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                      I just asked ChatGPT to run the numbers using typical rates today on a 500k house with 20% down. The difference in principal paid on payment 1 was substantial. $345 on the 30yr vs $1,349 on the 15.

                                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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