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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by Jolly
    #301

    Yeah, but they're McRibs ...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Yeah, but they're McRibs ...

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      George K
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      @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

      Yeah, but they're McRibs ...

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.

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        #303

        @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

        A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.

        Israel is a parliamentary democracy, not a republic. As such there is no such thing as a lame duck government as in a US/republican governance but rather, in the case of Israel, a coalition of cooperating parties. More accountability not less. If Bibi’s Likud had an absolute majority then you would be correct, there would be a door open for a lack of accountability. At least until the next election.

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #304

          Former PM Bennett deals with a reporter:

          Link to video

          Watch the reporter get progressively more uncomfortable and start shifting around in his seat.

          If nothing else go to 4:00.

          "What the hell is wrong with you?"

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            How Israel Got Ambushed


            Today, senior Hamas official Ali Baraka, in an interview on an Arabic-language TV station, boasted that the terrorist organization had been planning the attack for two years.

            “The zero hour was kept completely secret. . . . Hamas leaders knew it. The number of people who knew about the attack and its timing could be counted on one hand.”

            The fact that Hamas kept this secret is arguably Israel’s most serious failure. Israeli intelligence agencies—the Mossad, the Shin Bet, and the Military Intelligence Directorate (Aman)—are seen as world-beating institutions. Only a few years ago, they located and stole Iran’s nuclear archives right from under the noses of the ayatollahs. Israel invests billions in tracking every movement of every presumed terrorist in Gaza. But somehow they missed this.

            One reason why is that Israel hasn’t had a physical presence or human agents in Gaza since its unilateral withdrawal from the region in 2005. Most of its tracking today is done by signals intelligence. So Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack. And, as Baraka said, they kept the plan highly compartmentalized within Hamas ranks, with gunmen told only a small piece of the puzzle, to prevent a leak.

            This shows impressive operational discipline on Hamas’s part, and it will require Israel to restructure its intelligence apparatus once this war is over. The fact that—as of Wednesday night in Israel—the IDF has still not entered Gaza shows they’re remaining cautious, because what else might they be missing?

            The breakdown in Israel’s physical defenses was its second big failure. Over the years, Israel has invested billions of dollars in barriers—above and below ground—in addition to sophisticated sensors, cameras, radars, and remote-control guns that were supposed to stop anyone from entering Israel through the fence or via cross-border tunnels.

            And yet, Hamas proved these defensive measures were not just penetrable, but nothing more than a nuisance. The terrorist organization released videos showing their gunmen breaking through with ease, cutting holes in the barrier so big that pickup trucks could drive right across. They sent in drones, paragliders, and navy forces under the cover of rocket barrages, while bombing Israel’s remote-control guns from above.


            There are more analyses at the link.

            Most telling: “The Israelis are known to love life,” he continued. “We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs. The thing any Palestinian desires the most is to be martyred for the sake of Allah, defending his land.”

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            #305

            @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            ...Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack.

            Something came across me that said that when they did use electronic communication, they assumed they were all monitored by Israel an put out false information on them.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #306

              The IDF has notified Gaza that citizens have 24 hours (ending about 21:00 CDT) to evacuate the northern part of the area.

              And then things will get serious-er.

              Granted the distances aren't huge, but we're still talking about a million people.

              Meanwhile Hamas is saying "Stay in your homes."

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #307

                Hamas wants the PR value.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #308

                  The day of jihad.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #309

                    Wow this is hard to read.

                    https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/12/i-hope-someone-somewhere-is-being-kind-to-my-boy/

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Wow this is hard to read.

                      https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/12/i-hope-someone-somewhere-is-being-kind-to-my-boy/

                      MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #310

                      @jon-nyc I cannot begin to imagine the whirlwind of emotions he must be feeling.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        #311

                        Israel has dropped thousands of papers over downtown gaza city telling them they have 24 hours to evacuate (I think that was like 12 hours ago), with a map showing a line of where they need to move beyond (aka south towards Egypt, to the southern part of the Gaza strip). Anyway... it's usually what happens before a town is about to get absolutely leveled. Could happen tomorrow?

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                          Probably ground invasion starts tomorrow.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            I assume Hamas will force people to stay put? Die if you stay, die if you try to leave?

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                              #314

                              I am guessing non-combatants in Gaza who hunker down and are found by Israeli soldiers, will be ok. The danger to them will be their use as human shields by Hamas.

                              Then there is the issue of what Hamas does to the Gaza civilians after Israel leaves. Will there be inquisitions about whether they fought back?

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #315

                                I don't know what the Israelis are going to do, but I wonder whether a lot of civilians will curtail their artillery and guided munitions...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Probably ground invasion starts tomorrow.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                  Probably ground invasion starts tomorrow.

                                  They’ve already started ground recon. Looking for hostages?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    I am guessing non-combatants in Gaza who hunker down and are found by Israeli soldiers, will be ok. The danger to them will be their use as human shields by Hamas.

                                    Then there is the issue of what Hamas does to the Gaza civilians after Israel leaves. Will there be inquisitions about whether they fought back?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #317

                                    @Horace

                                    Then there is the issue of what Hamas does to the Gaza civilians after Israel leaves. Will there be inquisitions about whether they fought back?

                                    Should not even be an issue.

                                    The objective is to annihilate Hamas once and for all.

                                    There will be no Hamas to seek revenge on anyone let alone the residents of Gaza.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
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                                      #318

                                      LOL

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • HoraceH Online
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                                        Horace
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                                        Does the doll identify as a dead baby?

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
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                                          “OK - you first, jack”

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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