Dewey's post
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@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
I dont a problem with it. People react differently, and obviously Dewey had some pretty strong feelings about his interactions with Larry (most of which I probably dont know about). I dont know the Bible well (actually not at all LOL), so I dont know what it says about talking about someone after they die.
It's about making a claim about someone else's belief, recently deceased or otherwise. While I'm sure it's the emotional truth of many that Larry was not a believer in Christianity, for Dewey to make that claim would be against the rules of how he's supposed to comport himself within that same faith. I am sure you have issues with people who don't practice what they preach, but in this case, you also know that Larry was mean, so the rules don't apply to him. That's nice.
You will take my mask when you pry it off my cold, dead face.
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I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse. - Samuel Clemons
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@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
You will take my mask when you pry it off my cold, dead face.
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@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Yeah, but Dewey is apostate and he knows it. A lot of that smoke is a man trying to convince himself.
Larry? Fairly conservative, mainstream Southern Baptist. Extremely common down here.
That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse. - Samuel Clemons
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The man's never been honest with himself or anyone else. Sadly, his family paid the price for that.
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@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Yeah, but Dewey is apostate and he knows it. A lot of that smoke is a man trying to convince himself.
One can attempt to convince oneself without explicitly breaking rules of behavior that are central to the issue to begin with.
You will take my mask when you pry it off my cold, dead face.
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@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Yeah, but Dewey is apostate and he knows it. A lot of that smoke is a man trying to convince himself.
One can attempt to convince oneself without explicitly breaking rules of behavior that are central to the issue to begin with.
I think it was Mik who talked about Larry being a mirror. Wise statement.
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People are all shitting on Dewey. I’ve never met him, but I’ve met somebody a number of times who I very much liked and who worked on charitable outreaches with him overseas, and she says he’s awesome. Good enough for me.
I couldn’t give a fuck whether he’s apostate or not, or gay, or whatever.
Analyzing his personal life and history? Ok, go right ahead. That’s the great thing about being perfect, right?
As American as apple pie!
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In fairness, Phibes, Dewey is the one that opened that door. I've mostly stayed out of it, as my issue with him is past history, but it's not quite fair for him to cast aspersions on Larry's faith and expect to be immune to scrutiny of his own.
"Summon scorn until it radiates from your person like a baleful beacon of contempt."
"I support anyone’s right to be who they want to be. My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?" Dave Chappelle
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@Mik said in Dewey's post:
In fairness, Phibes, Dewey is the one that opened that door. I've mostly stayed out of it, as my issue with him is past history, but it's not quite fair for him to cast aspersions on Larry's faith and expect to be immune to scrutiny of his own.
I happen to think that what Larry and others said to Dewey once he strayed from the one true path was just horrible. I’m not surprised he was so hurt.
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
As American as apple pie!
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
@Mik said in Dewey's post:
In fairness, Phibes, Dewey is the one that opened that door. I've mostly stayed out of it, as my issue with him is past history, but it's not quite fair for him to cast aspersions on Larry's faith and expect to be immune to scrutiny of his own.
I happen to think that what Larry and others said to Dewey once he strayed from the one true path was just horrible. I’m not surprised he was so hurt.
Right, and it's a test of character to react to that pain. He failed. That's how that worked.
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
No, it's not. It's not the same.
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I do. Very much.
I'll tell you why. Every man's path to Christ is his own, but the essentials are the same. The Roman Road, so to speak. And there are things open to interpretation, or we wouldn't have a myriad of denominations, some with minor disagreements, some with more major disagreements.
But what you dont do, is completely ignore what the Bible teaches, especially if that is taught in multiple places, within multiple books in OT and NT. You say all have fallen short of the Glory of God, and we are all sinners? Well, amen, brother! That's true.
We stumble, we fall, but we are commanded to get back up again and do the best we can, to work towards a higher state of Grace. What we are not told to do, is turn our backs on what we know is wrong, or worse, to joyfully engage in sinful behavior with no remorse and no intention of asking for forgiveness.
If you read the pastoral letters - I&II Timothy and Titus - you'll find that leaders within the church are held to a little higher standard. Not an impossible standard, but one that demands their best.
You don't put a drunk in the pulpit, or a man who cheats on his wife, beats his children, etc. The doors of the Church aren't closed to those folks, but they should never be placed in leadership. We had to show a deacon the door last year because of inappropriate behavior with a sixteen year-old girl. I'll pray for him, but he's not staying in any leadership position.
I'll not go item by item, but there are at least three things, probably four, that would keep Dewey out of the pulpit. And not to put words in his mouth, but we've knocked theological heads enough that I can say that Dewey does not believe in Biblical inerrancy, has a lot of trouble with the Pauline Letters and views the Bible as more of a suggestion book. Personally, I feel if you've dragged the Word down to that level, you don't have much Word.
It's written in the End of Days, that many shall bear false witness. That many preachers will engage in oratory for the purpose of tickling men's ears, not to try to actually win them to a Gospel that demands sacrifice, self-control, love for their fellow man and an attentive heart to God's Will, including the Judgement that awaits us all.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
They’re not here to defend themselves.
Yup, there is no way Dewey has seen this thread.
The Dewey vs Larry team has been trashing each other for years.
With Larry gone it is up to his friends to carry on.
Otherwise it would be too one-sided.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
This thread is not the only time this has happened on one of our forums.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're misinformed."
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@George-K said in Dewey's post:
This thread is not the only time this has happened on one of our forums.
Was the debate as pointless those other times, too?
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Shucks, most of our debate is pointless. It's our talent and strength!
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What's the most you've ever lost on a coin toss?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
@Mik said in Dewey's post:
In fairness, Phibes, Dewey is the one that opened that door. I've mostly stayed out of it, as my issue with him is past history, but it's not quite fair for him to cast aspersions on Larry's faith and expect to be immune to scrutiny of his own.
I happen to think that what Larry and others said to Dewey once he strayed from the one true path was just horrible. I’m not surprised he was so hurt.
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
He can defend himself if he wishes.
Larry cannot.
Furthermore, he's spreading his opinion to the Attaboy Choir in a medium where he controls the message.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
People are all shitting on Dewey. I’ve never met him, but I’ve met somebody a number of times who I very much liked and who worked on charitable outreaches with him overseas, and she says he’s awesome. Good enough for me.
I couldn’t give a fuck whether he’s apostate or not, or gay, or whatever.I have met Dewey. He actually sat in a car for 4 hours just to have lunch with me. I don't know everything he did or said, especially religion-wise, but he is quite enjoyable company. I couldn't care less which version of God he believes in that I don't believe in, or which kinds of sexual organs he prefers.
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Dewey has fashioned the life for himself of his choosing. I doubt many of us know of anybody who is as exalted as he is for being a walk-the-walk virtuous guy. He's even a martyr in his own time, as we see from the reaction to his public trolling of Larry's corpse. Now, it's up to any of us to judge why he's happened to find himself in this role of a public virtue beacon, recognized and exalted as such by those he chooses to surround himself with. Is it because he really is this paragon? Did the crowd choose him? Or did he fashion himself to be chosen by the crowd? I know exactly the answer to that question, and I've known it for years.
